The snipe that really didnt work correctly

Why is it the sniping server's 'screw up'? AS just places your snipe (ie bid) for you, the only logic that goes on is the judgment of when to place it!

R2

Panther, Umm, I would not be surprised if there are slight imperfections in the ebay bidding or bid recognition set-up. Once in a while you hear of a strange bid history that no one can seem to figure out--see for example this bizarre incident: https://community.auctionsniper.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/385608021/m/8931054581
(On the other hand, like R2, I see no sign of any glitch in the sniping process in your case, as distinct from ebay.)

In any case, I think there's an important error in your description, and it might be part of the explanation here or, uh, it might at least be of some consolation to you (maybe not): You say that "the next highest bid would bid would need to be $25 higher than my high bid which would have been $1326.02". This isn't so.

The reason your statement is incorrect is that, as soon as your snipe was placed, the revealed bid was NOT your max bid of $1,301.02, but only $1,275.00. Thus, in order for the winning bidder to get a bid in, I believe he/she only needed to bid $1,300.00 (i.e. $25 over the SHOWN bid of $1,275.00), he/she did NOT have to bid $1,326.02 or $1,325.00.....

And in order for him/her to beat you, he/she only needed to bid $1,301.03.

In other words, so long as he/she (hell, just say he) could bid some amount over $1,300.00 and over your max of $1,301.02, then the winning price would be precisely his maximum bid, up to a limit of $1,326.02 (because that is then the bid increment over your max bid); ebay would have pushed his final price, in excess of $1,300, up to the lower of (x) his actual maximum or (y) the bid increment level of $1,326.02 (that is, this time, the bid increment over your max bid, not the previous shown bid).

In other words, the min bid increment means that the next bidder needed to bid a minimum of that increment over the SHOWN bid; the SHOWN bid in your case, the instant you bid (and a split second before the winning bidder bid), was only $1275, NOT $1300 or $1301.02. The min bid increment concept also means that, once a final bid comes in that satisfies the min bid increment over the previous SHOWN bid, AND tops the runner-up MAX bid, then the winning bid will be either the final bidder's max bid, or--if less--the min bid increment over that runner-up max bid.

I could probably point you to some sample bidding histories, or make some up, that could illustrate this, if it's not quite clear. But your bid history there would be a perfect illustration of this normal happening, IF the winning bidder's maximum bid was EXACTLY $1,305.00. It's probably confusing when someone tries to explain it clumsily like I have, but after experiencing it a few times the logic becomes pretty straightforward.

And, by the way, I must confess it is a little surprising that ebay support disclosed the high bidder's max bid, because on the face of things the winning maximum bid could legitimately have been precisely the $1,305.00. I wouldn't have thought ebay would disclose max bids so readily......

If I've misunderstood anything, please correct me, anyone.

petronius, thank you for your reply and I have thought about my bid for that one second being $1275 and the winning bid only needing to be $1300 and if so then why wasnt the winning bid $1300, and if its the other scenario you mentioned only needing to beat my bid based on my maximum amount of $1301.02 then why wasnt the winning bid one penny higher at $1301.03? Instead the winning bid was $3.98 higher (1305-1301.02) I see no logic behind this. What will it be the next time when the price level requires the next incremental bid to be $25 higher, will the system only require a $1.13 more or if it is a full moon that day $8.11 more. THis kind of BS undermines the bidding system and from Ebay live support they passed the buck to Ebay Trust and Safety, so I will see what there reply is which I wont be surprised if it is a canned form letter. AS support said there seems to be a glitch, but they arent taking responsibility pointing the blame at ebay.

Just to ad another point I have in my inbox from ebay stating, Bid Confirmed. You are the high bidder! Showing my current bid as $1275 and my maximum bid of 1301.02 Of course the very next second a bid was placed greater than mine which incrementally should have taken it to $1300, but that still wouldnt be higher than my max bid of $1301.02 With my bid confirmed Ebay's system acknowledged my bid and be the high bidder and then something very wonky happened allowing the guy to win by $3.98?????, I dont mind a rational explanation, but every angle I look at this I really believe I should have won and that is really trying to be objective.

Also, I think it is clearly a case where the winning bidder was supposed to win, by all the normal procedures and expectations. Your shown bid was 1275, at that point I could have won with a max bid of even 1301.03.

The only unusual thing here, and evidently a glitch (if the winner's max bid was actually 1325--and maybe you just got a very confused explanation from a rookie outsourced ebay worker there?) was that ebay did not bump up the winning price to 1325.

In any case, the winning bidder had a higher max bid, and it clearly met the min bid increment over what was at that point a shown bid of 1275.

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Originally posted by Panther:
Just to ad another point I have in my inbox from ebay stating, Bid Confirmed. You are the high bidder! Showing my current bid as $1275 and my maximum bid of 1301.02 Of course the very next second a bid was placed greater than mine which incrementally should have taken it to $1300, but that still wouldnt be higher than my max bid of $1301.02 With my bid confirmed Ebay's system acknowledged my bid and be the high bidder and then something very wonky happened allowing the guy to win by $3.98?????, I dont mind a rational explanation, but every angle I look at this I really believe I should have won and that is really trying to be objective.

Panther, you're still thinking that the winner had to meet the min bid increment over your max bid of 1301.02. THAT'S NOT SO! The winner only had to meet the $25 min bid increment over the SHOWN bid of 1275. Dude, you gotta understand that. Sorry, I gotta run at the moment, I trust other guys in this forum can clarify further.....

Good luck. Don't worry, there's always a next time and a next item. Basically, the cardinal rule intoned here is always this: set as your max bid the absolute maximum you're actually willing to pay (and so you can bear it if another guy even wins at a penny more than that) and you'll never feel disappointed.....

I just want to find the source of the problem and it has been my experience that ebay uses canned replies and it probably doesnt get beyond the cust service rep pushing the response for form letter #27. I have really tried to follow your logic, but in reality the other guy would have won if his bid was placed at the same second as mine or earlier with his max bid of $1326. It wasnt it was a second later and the acknowledgement from ebay shows I was the high bidder. If someone can win by "less than the bid increment over 2nd place maximum bid" as you state then anything goes and no one including myself understands what the rules are and how to bid accordingly. Most likely the winning bidder was using sniping software and maybe one second recognition isnt long enough for it to recognize I had the high bid, in which case he should have won at $1275. From every different view using logic I can see no reasonable explanation for losing this auction. If someone can point me to a policy from ebay or AS such as 'RULE 417', where the current high bidder will lose by less than the next highest required bid increment while placing this bid after the current high bidder, then I guess I will have learned something.

And once again, please understand that in order to get a bid in, the winner only needed to bid the minimum 25 increment your SHOWN BID (which was 1275, i.e. the BID DISCLOSED TO EVERYONE ON EBAY) NOT your max bid. THEN, in order to win, he only needed to bid a penny more than your max bid.

Please see http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-increments.html

"Note: A bidder may be outbid by less than a full increment. This would happen if the winning bidder's maximum bid beats the second highest maximum by an amount less than the full increment."

Panth, I've outbid people, and been outbid, in precisely the way you been describing. The ONLY unusual thing about your situation was that, according to what you seem to have been told, the winning bidder's max bid 1325 but his price was not bumped up to that max amount. [But really, he did beat you fair and square] [<--edit: I realize now this is not your issue, so pls disregard this] --[and precisely the way we snipers would LIKE TO win all the time: by less than the full increment over the next-best bid, and ideally by just one penny over the next best bid] [<--edit: this is inaccurate: we want to win at the lowest possible price and so obviously would rather win with e.g. a max bid of 1301.02 but final price of 1225 over a next best bid of 1200, rather than win with a max bid of 1301.02 with a final price of 1301.02 over a next best bid of 1301.01].... Good luck

petronius, I can accept that I lost the auction, I have to. You use (x) and (y), but this is not a theoretical problem. You know all the variables from the time the bids were placed to current bids and maximum bids (mine and the winner's) so using all this information explain if you will exactly how he won by $3.98? If you cant explain it then I think at the very least Ebay and AS would like to investigate it so it doesnt happen again.

Let me state the question again why did he win by $3.98 more, instead of the logical one cent more or any number in between 1 penny to the incrementally correct number of $25, why was $3.98 arbitrarily chosen?

If there is no step by step explanation of why this happened (skip the x and y theoreticals) then it most likely is a screw up in Ebay's or AS's servers and software or the winning bidder used his cryptonite phaser blasting hacking software to work around minimum incremental bid protocols within the system.

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Originally posted by Panther:
Let me state the question again why did he win by $3.98 more, instead of the logical one cent more or any number in between 1 penny to the incrementally correct number of $25, why was $3.98 arbitrarily chosen?

Yup, that's the part I have no idea about--all of this makes perfect sense and is normal if his actual max bid was 1305, but is weird if it was 1325 like you were told.....But I doubt that that weird aspect of the bidding history had anything to do with anything under AS's control. True, I can't be sure, but I wonder if you were misinformed that his max bid was 1325. It seems so strange for some turkey at ebay to blurt that out, when it all makes perfect sense if the max bid was exactly the shown bid of 1305.

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Originally posted by Panther:
or the winning bidder used his cryptonite phaser blasting hacking software to work around minimum incremental bid protocols within the system.

I still think you have not grasped the first rule that, to get a bid in, he only needed to bid the minimum increment over YOUR SHOWN BID of 1275. 1301.02 was not your shown bid at that moment. The email you got from ebay is irrelevant in this regard: Yes, the email noted your max bid of 1301.02, but your SHOWN BID on ebay was not 1301.02, it was 1275.00.

Again, can't explain about why ebay didn't bump up to 1325 if his max bid was 1325. But I would not be surprised if that info was just misreported to you.

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it most likely is a screw up in Ebay's or AS's servers and software

- aaargh - pray tell how it can be down to AS when all AS does is place your bid to your max amount?

R2

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But I would not be surprised if that info was just misreported to you.

Nor would I. That's the only part that doesn't adhere to ebay's bidding system. Winning bidder’s max bid had to have been $1305. I think someone at ebay live support has worked too many consecutive hours.

The results of this auction would have been the same had the bids been placed manually, and placed well before the end of the auction. Sniping had nothing to do with it, nor did AS.

^ Agree with Rick. And btw if I were the winning bidder, I'da been rather peeved that some bozo at ebay disclosed my max bid without good reason, if that was indeed the case, though I doubt it.

I bet the auction was won by a true Jedi ASsniper (to whom I'd say, well done, you are a true Jedi sniper...except I woulda bid 1305.06 just to be safe....). In a few days if I got time to kill I'm gonna find the item with a google search and send him an email inviting him to chip in his 2 cents' worth in this thread if he wants.... man I really gotta have time to kill at that point.... So long, folks, nice weekend,

petronius, the max bid by the winner was $1326 even not $1325. Ebay was very clear on the max bid of the winner, which is no where near the winner's suspected max of bid of $1305. Also ebay disclosed his maximum bid AFTER the auction was over with, so I dont see the problem with ebay providing the info, its to solve the problem.

AS customer has forwarded this to a senior mgr as they agree something wonky happened an they will be back in contact with me.

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Also ebay disclosed his maximum bid AFTER the auction was over with, so I dont see the problem with ebay providing the info, its to solve the problem.

It’s like poker – you don’t get to see the other player’s hand unless you meet/call their bet.

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AS customer has forwarded this to a senior mgr as they agree something wonky happened an they will be back in contact with me.

AS’s senior mgr or ebay’s?

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Originally posted by region2:

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it most likely is a screw up in Ebay's or AS's servers and software

- aaargh - pray tell how it can be down to AS when all AS does is place your bid to your max amount?

R2

R2 I'm just looking for an answer whether it be an AS or EBay issue with the shear volume of ebay auctions I would suspect it is happening more frequently than suspected. If you agree that most likely the winning bidder placed his bid with sniping software then you have to ask where did the breakdown occur? Did AS not recognize where my bid was as it was just one second before (if the winner uses AS)? No one can answer the $3.98 amount question. Using my present high bid of $1275 why didnt he win at $1300 even? Even if you can give 'a reason' you still have to back to the fact the winning bid was placed after mine and it should have been won with a bid of $1301.03

Rick you said, "
The results of this auction would have been the same had the bids been placed manually, and placed well before the end of the auction." I don't see that the final winning amount would have been the same with a manual bid either as he would have beat me with any amount over $1301.02 which would have been a penny higher and that is one of the strange aspects of all this....

http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/proxy-bidding.html
Your maximum amount is kept confidential from other bidders and the seller.

It doesn’t appear to indicate that ebay allows bids to be disclosed “after” the end of the auction. I doubt the winning bidder would be happy if an ebay employee disclosed his maximum bid.

Rick yea its like poker, but in this instance it looks like the dice were fixed or he was using cards up his sleeve. I don't mind him winning fairly, but if 'the house' has rigged it in his favor or ? Then I have a problem with that and if you were in this situation I think you might as well.

I'm waiting for a reply from AS senior manager, I wont hold my breath with ebay as only platinum members seem to get help, I think logistically its almost impossible for ebay to provide individual CS there are just too many auctions.

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Originally posted by Rick:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/proxy-bidding.html
Your maximum amount is kept confidential from other bidders and the seller.

It doesn’t appear to indicate that ebay allows bids to be disclosed “after” the end of the auction. I doubt the winning bidder would be happy if an ebay employee disclosed his maximum
bid.

Well this isnt an ordinary situation, now is it? Ebay live support had me on hold for several minutes and then I discussed it for the next 25 minutes with them and they and AS support acknowledge something didnt work correctly, so in this instance they disclosed the max bid. If this goofy situation wouldnt have occured then I'm sure they wouldnt have disclosed the maximum bid. I think they were looking for an explanation and they dont have one at this point.

Drat, I've gotten to be like a compulsive blackjack player today, constantly swearing he's gonna leave the table, goodbye, but drifting back for one last look....

Absolutely positively my last comment on this--To sum it up, I definitely agree with you there was a glitch if the dude's max bid was actually 1326. All I can say is, that would rank up there with the really really weird thing that happend to tiggerstitch, at https://community.auctionsniper.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/385608021/m/8931054581 . (If the max bid was 1305, everyone I think agrees it ended correctly.)

I suppose maybe the glitch in your case, if it was a glitch, is one that I could live with--it's a matter of a winning bidder not being compelled to pay as high as he should have, not whether or not I should have won instead. A glitch of the type in tiggerstich's case would definitely tick me off, as there could be a chance I'd have won if the system had operated correctly. (Although, in tiggerstich's precise circumstances, I suspect the winner's highest max bid woulda topped tiggerstitch.)

I'm really puzzled about tiggerstitch's case, and yours too. Hope you'll let us all know if you hear anything further. As I said, I'd not be surprised if there were some imperfections in ebay's setup, like tiny flaws and deja vu in the Matrix....

Oh crap, my 100th post. Have I fallen so low and is the hour so late....

Panther,

It’s true that one need only bid an additional increment over the current winning bid to have the bid “placed”. It’s also true that once that increment is reached, that bid need be only 1 penny higher then the second highest bidder to win. BUT, should that winning bid be MORE then 1 penny, then the bid will be increased UPTO the next increment.

If High Bid Had Been          Closing Price Would Have Been
1301.02                       1301.02
1301.03                       1301.03
1301.04	                     1301.04
1305.00                       1305.00
1326.00                       1326.00
1326.02                       1326.02
1400.00                       1326.02

If it turns out that the high bid was $1326.00, then something is screwy, but it’s screwy at ebay and not at AS. Even if AS did do something screwy, it would have been ebay’s responsibility to unscrew it.

I'm curious how this shakes out.

Sounds like we agree on my above chart - it's just the winning bid amount that seems to be confusing, or in question.

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Did AS not recognize where my bid was as it was just one second before (if the winner uses AS)

AS doesn't do anything apart from place a bid as if it was you. No logic. No algorithm. Nuffink. However, it does analyse the resonse from ebay so that it can report success or failure and charge you accordingly.

R2

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Originally posted by Rick:
Panther,

It’s true that one need only bid an additional increment over the current winning bid to have the bid “placed”. It’s also true that once that increment is reached, that bid need be only 1 penny higher then the second highest bidder to win. BUT, should that winning bid be MORE then 1 penny, then the bid will be increased UPTO the next increment.

If High Bid Had Been          Closing Price Would Have Been
1301.02                       1301.02
1301.03                       1301.03
1301.04	                     1301.04
1305.00                       1305.00
1326.00                       1326.00
1326.02                       1326.02
1400.00                       1326.02

If it turns out that the high bid was $1326.00, then something is screwy, but it’s screwy at ebay and not at AS. Even if AS did do something screwy, it would have been ebay’s responsibility to unscrew it.

I'm curious how this shakes out.

Well I want to ad another detail I copied and pasted my entire conversation last night with ebay chat with the rep varifying that the maximum bid was $1326 and there were those of you thinking that the rep was mistaken in the maximum amount of the winner. So I decided to contact ebay live chat again just a few moments ago and again the representative varified the maximum bid of the winner was indeed $1326. When I asked them how it was possible for the winner to win honestly and fairly even at the maximum bid of $1326 the winner would have been .02 short as the next highest bid above my max would have been $1326.02 they couldnt answer me they again referred me to Ebay Safety & Trust. I made the second contact today, because I thought many of you made a legitimate claim if the maximum bid was $1305. I also did it just in case a higher up in Ebay or AS replies and says the max bid was $1305 in an effort to make it just go away. So this is very puzzling and irritating. I could post the chat logs from both contacts.

Hi Panther,

I wasn't trying to make you "go away" by any means. The only way the bid history makes sense is if the winning bidder's maximum bid was $1305. ...simply a logical assumption. I don't even have the tools to verify what an eBay member's maximum bid on a given auction is.

Keep us posted on what you hear from eBay. This is, indeed, an interesting scenario.

-Mike

Everything worked correctly here.

The bid was:

$1250
then you bid $1301.02 and eBay moved you to the high bidder, with your bid being 1 increment above the 1250, which is $1275. So there you sat, the winner at $1275. For 1 second you were the winner. Then the other bid came in they bid more than you. By at least an increment. They don't have to beat you by an increment. They only have to outbid you by one to have their bid placed. That's the way eBay works.

Thus their max bid was truely $1305. Otherwise eBay would have forced their bid to be an increment higher than yours which would have been $1326.02. That's how I can tell that the winners true max was $1305.

In short, you don't have to win by a bid increment, you only have to bid an increment higher to have your bid placed. that means if you bid say an increment + 1 cent more, you can possibly win by 1 cent even if your bid comes last. As long as your bid is higher than the other persons.

eBay worked correctly, and AuctionSniper worked correctly. No blame to anyone. It's a tricky one. The step eBay doesn't show is where you were temporarily the high bidder at $1275. I'm not sure if they used to do that and stopped or what.

I doubt the eBay reps know that other bidders max was $1326. That makes no sense if the winner won for $1305. You should tell them that the buyer told you their max was $1776 and I bet they change their story and start telling you the bidders max was $1776. Why would they disclose another customers max bid to you? That doesn't seem right.

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Originally posted by Sniper Sara B.:
Everything worked correctly here.

The bid was:

$1250
then you bid $1301.02 and eBay moved you to the high bidder, with your bid being 1 increment above the 1250, which is $1275. So there you sat, the winner at $1275. For 1 second you were the winner. Then the other bid came in they bid more than you. By at least an increment. They don't have to beat you by an increment. They only have to outbid you by one to have their bid placed. That's the way eBay works.

Thus their max bid was truely $1305. Otherwise eBay would have forced their bid to be an increment higher than yours which would have been $1326.02. That's how I can tell that the winners true max was $1305.

In short, you don't have to win by a bid increment, you only have to bid an increment higher to have your bid placed. that means if you bid say an increment + 1 cent more, you can possibly win by 1 cent even if your bid comes last. As long as your bid is higher than the other persons.

eBay worked correctly, and AuctionSniper worked correctly. No blame to anyone. It's a tricky one. The step eBay doesn't show is where you were temporarily the high bidder at $1275. I'm not sure if they used to do that and stopped or what.

I doubt the eBay reps know that other bidders max was $1326. That makes no sense if the winner won for $1305. You should tell them that the buyer told you their max was $1776 and I bet they change their story and start telling you the bidders max was $1776. Why would they disclose another customers max bid to you? That doesn't seem right.

Sara B. I really appreciate your reply, I think this has thrown quite a few people for a curve it certainly has me. I have put a couple of your comments above in bold because they were really helpful in clarification and I believe you are correct and now believe everything did work correctly. Sara you were able to make this clear so I would like you to clarify another point so that I really understand how the snipe software & servers work inconjunction with ebay's system.

If we use my same auction yet all the bids were placed manually lets see if I understand lets also assume we have minutes left and not seconds:

1)My manual bid would raise the price from $1250 to 1275 per the incremental bid requirement of $25

2)Another person places the bid (for agreement sake lets say there max is $1305) there bid would place at $1300.

3)Now lets assume the very next second snipe software attempts to place a bid (as the bidder is not aware of the current bid of $1300) for $1305, the bid would not be placed because the next incremental bid of $25 had not been met for a total of $1325. Am I correct?

Ok lets move to the last scenario which is exactly what happened in my auction and its all done by the sniping software.

1)My bid is placed at $1275 with a max of $1301.02

2)The very next second another bidder places his max bid of $1305, so he exceeds my bid by the $25 and since its software/servers doing all this does it take the bid to $1300 and because it software and not manual bidding does it then kind of place the second bid to the bidders max of $1305? What if his bid would have been $1776 what stops ebay or AS from rebidding higher to $1776 or does it just stop at the next increment of $1325?

If the winning bidder had placed a manual max bid of $1305 it would still result in his bid automatically going to $1305? And if his maximum manual bid was $1776 then it would stop at the next incremental bid of $1325?

Sara B. In reference to your comment, "Why would they disclose another customers max bid to you? That doesn't seem right." It may not seem right , but that was what was done and considering it was a strange circumstance that is probably why it was done and of course it wasn't done before the end of the auction as that would have been wrong and impossible since the winner hadn't placed any bid previously. Here is an excerpt from the live chat log:

10:36:03 PM You I would like you to look at auction # XXXXXXXX I placed the maximum bid of $1301.02 and I was the high bidder for a second literally then the very next second a guy placed a higher bid and won the auction in the last 6 seconds with a bid of $1305 which was winning by less than $4, but at this price level the next highest bid is in $25 increments – so he would have had to place a bid of $1326.02, so he absolutely should not have been able to win the auction. 10:36:28 PM Cristian A. I'm glad to help you with bidding/buying concern.
10:37:15 PM Cristian A. May I please know if it is the XXXXXXXX item?
10:37:32 PM You Yes. 10:38:07 PM Cristian A. Please give me a moment to look into that item.
10:38:46 PM You Ok, thankyou. 10:40:10 PM Cristian A. The $1326.00 is the maximum bid of that member.
10:41:10 PM You If he would have bid earlier or the very same second he should win, but as it stands he bid later -even though only one second it was in $25 increments and that would have been 1326.02 , $1326 would not have been high enough, 10:44:12 PM Cristian A. We apologize for any confusion. In some cases, you can be outbid by less than a full bid increment.

10:45:19 PM You Do you not agree that it should have taken an additional $25 over my bid to win, as I assure you if he would have bid manually less than $25 the system wouldnt have allowed him to place the bid, correct? 10:46:08 PM Cristian A. Let me explain to you further.
10:46:27 PM Cristian A. Let's say you're the first bidder and you place a maximum bid of $20.00. The bidding system will automatically bid on your behalf up to $20.00 against other bidders. When a second bidder places a maximum bid of $9.00, your bid will automatically be raised to $9.50. When a third bidder bids $20.01, he or she becomes the high bidder because your maximum bid is only $20.00.
10:47:32 PM Cristian A. How can this happen? It seems that the third bidder should be required to bid in 50-cent increments, which would be $20.50. But not in this case, because the third bidder needs only to exceed the next allowed bid amount of $10.00 ($9.50 plus $0.50). Since $20.01 is more than $10.00, he or she satisfies the bid requirement.

10:47:59 PM Cristian A. The increment of $25.00 will not take effect.
10:48:11 PM Cristian A. That is in your case.
10:49:07 PM You I really dont understand. This is a foul up though whether sniping or manually it would have need to exceed my bid at this price point by $25 as I was the earlier bidder. 10:49:58 PM Cristian A. There are cases when bid sniping may occurs on that particular item.
10:50:37 PM Cristian A. Here, if that member place a maximum bid, the system will not shown the amount to other bidder.
10:51:09 PM Cristian A. Unless there is a member who place a bid higher that on his maximum bid.
10:51:37 PM Cristian A. In your case, that member placed a bid of $1305.00 before you.
10:52:49 PM Cristian A. Or that member used the Bid Sniping.
10:53:44 PM You Look at the bid time stamp the other bidder placed the bid one second later than mine and exceeded my bid by only $3.98 and if it would have gone the full $25 it still wasnt high enough as that would have been 1326.02, but as you pointed out the max was $1326 either way it shouldnt have happened. 10:56:38 PM Cristian A. In that case, you were out bid by less than the increment.
10:57:22 PM You Exactly and it shouldnt have happened. 10:57:59 PM You That has been my point from the beginning. 10:58:33 PM Cristian A. Even that bidder required a $25.00, and it would the be $1326.02.
10:59:22 PM Cristian A. In your case it is different.
10:59:24 PM You Right again, that has been my point all along. 11:00:24 PM Cristian A. That bidder needs only to outbid the current bid not your bid.
11:00:46 PM Cristian A. Let me explain to you further.
11:01:48 PM You Well weve just went back to the fog bank again, how is it possible? It would have needed to exceed my bid by $25 or this bidder plays by different rules.... 11:02:19 PM Cristian A. The first bid is US $1,250.00, and you have placed a bid of US $1,301.02.
11:02:50 PM You Continue... 11:03:44 PM Cristian A. The current bid will be $1250.00 + $25.00, therefore it is $1300.00 is the current bid now.
11:04:54 PM Cristian A. Since the $1305.00 is bigger that $1300.00, the system satisfies his bid.
11:04:57 PM You Which I still held at $1301.02 11:05:52 PM Cristian A. The system will based on the current bid.
11:06:45 PM You Then why wouldnt the system have taken $1301.03 all he would need to be me by is 1 cent, why did it arbitrally exceed my bid by $3.98 at $1305? 11:06:48 PM Cristian A. That system is called Outbid by Less than the Bid Increment.
11:08:07 PM You Is this somewhere in Ebay policy? 11:10:15 PM You When does it apply on only certain occasions when it decides to? How can you expect people to know what to bid when the rules change, I have never heard of this and I assure if the bid was manual this could not have happened. 11:11:03 PM Cristian A. The bid of the winning bidder was based on the first bid, not on your bid.
11:11:25 PM Cristian A. The fourth bidder, in case it has, the current bid will be based on your amount.
11:11:44 PM You I'll tell you what I think happened is somehow the snipe servers didnt recognize my high as there was only one second between bids. 11:11:53 PM Cristian A. We apologize for any confusion. In some cases, you can be outbid by less than a full bid increment.

11:12:32 PM Cristian A. Yes, it might be possible also the bid sniping.
11:12:50 PM You I appreciate your time...

Continues with the rep providing a link for me to contact Ebay Safety & Trust.

The following day I contacted ebay live chat and they reaffirmed the max. bid of $1326, but the rep wouldnt give up the info easily so I told her what I was told the following evening of the max bid of $1326 and if that was correct and finally she confirmed this. If I'm going to be objective I told her the amount and she confirmed that; she didnt just tell me the amount on her own so it is still inconclusive if $1326 is the maximum bid.

R2

LOL, Region is quite correct on this one.

What is the relevance of Christian perspectives on warfare by the above referenced book by R2 and my snipe auction issue?

obscurantism!
(pedants corner - this is the non capitalised "O" version)

I think he meant This Book

Paul

I did - couldn't find an image tho'!!!

A bit like this thread, I've not read the book 'cos it looks like a big read and I have better things to do!

R2

It's obvious the ebay online support guy was somewhat muddled, seemingly using a patois of boilerplate clauses and rather shaky impromptu statements. Anyway based on that log, I accept that the guy evidently believed there was a high bid of 1326. One possible explanation is that at that moment the online support guy may have been looking, not at the winning bid, but at the LAST bid entered? [<--edit: This is assuming ebay would have that as part of their internal account/history for the item that online staff have at hand.] I.e. the winning bidder placed his bid at 1305. ANOTHER bidder than entered a last bid, a second or some seconds later, at 1326, but it did not win and did not go through because it did not meet the bid increment of 1330 at that point. Just a guess, but it would explain everything. I could see the online guy getting mixed up for a moment and not recognizing that that last bid did not go through and was not the one that won.

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Originally posted by region2:
I did - couldn't find an image tho'!!!

A bit like this thread, I've not read the book 'cos it looks like a big read and I have better things to do!

R2

R2 you're statement isn't accurate; you have read this thread and at a post count of over 2000 you obviously must not have better things to do. You should take time to read the book it might broaden your perspective.

Thanks Petronius another bidder trying to place a bid at $1326 and it not being high enough to be placed is certainly a possibility as well.

I'll come back when I hear from Ebay.

For once (and it is not often) I agree wholeheartedly with R2!

I think Panther, you assume that the world is interested in the minutae of your bidding process. I am afraid it isn't and I, like R2, have not bothered to read your treatise on the subject to find out what went wrong. Neither am I (and judging by the response, nobody else is either) at all interested in what the support desks had to say.

Before you say "P*** Off!" I think that both R2 and I are trying to be helpful - perhaps in a more direct manner than you are used to.

If you have a problem, you will get assistance, but you must put your case succinctly. Nobody is paid to give advice, so the more concise you are, the more incentive we have to ponder on your problem.

So take a leaf out of most salesman's tactical guides - Don't bore the punter's witless!

Paul

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R2 you're statement isn't accurate; you have read this thread and at a post count of over 2000 you obviously must not have better things to do.

Wrong on both counts - I read the first posting to which I replied, after that you began to bore me sh|tless. As to your second statement, I have been a visitor here for 3 years (more if you listen to Rick) so an average of 2 postings a day does not make me the bore that you obviously think I am.
So please - pop to the shops and get a life - you lost, AS was faultless and eBay support is pants. We know!

R2

nice little club you've got here. how do i get to join? ......or if i can't join, can't we play a game? rules: 1. no profanity. 2. no more than 2 responses to each other per thread--let's not clutter shall we. 3. first one to squeal to sarah or AS loses--and sarah deleting any posts of the one of us will be taken as proof of the other's crying to mommie

oh, and no, i am not harmless panther, i'm just one of the 100s of occasional unnamed visitors who find your posts mostly pointless & invariably annoying. i'm gonna have a little fun with you as payback for the constant distraction of your posts these past months

let the fun begin!

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Originally posted by region2:
I have been a visitor here for 3 years (more if you listen to Rick) so an average of 2 postings a day does not make me the bore that you obviously think I am.
R2

very true, 2024 petulant and repetitive posts-and counting-at an average of oh say 2 minutes per post (which is conservative) does not make you a bore. it does however makes you an object of deserved contempt

I'll type this slowly so that you might understand more easily - any criticism of me is your prerogative - the good news about this 'club' is that you don't have to be elected so feel free to come and go as you please.

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rules: 1. no profanity. 2. no more than 2 responses to each other per thread--let's not clutter shall we. 3. first one to squeal to sarah or AS loses--and sarah deleting any posts of the one of us will be taken as proof of the other's crying to mommie

So, straight away we can assume that:
1. you've got religion
2. you're a control freak
3. you're immature
Ergo, you don't feature highly on my list or role models. If posting here keeps you out of the teen chat-rooms then flame away!

R2