Am I the Only One Who Hates How eBay Pushes PayPal?

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Originally posted by geekline:
What do you all think? Do you think they'll ever make it a requirement that sellers accept PayPal?

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I hope they do, but I don't think they can/will.

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Do you think they'll ever make it a requirement that sellers accept PayPal?

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No, I don't. However I AM one of the three of four that prefer it. It's so fast and easy.

You can accept payments free, if your account isn't set up for credit cards. Once you 'upgrade' you're charged for ALL payments even without credit. To me, that's not fair. Many have two accounts, one for credit, and the other for transfers without the fee.

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Originally posted by geekline:
I dont accept PayPal from my customers. I hate PayPal after the little stunt they pulled on me back when they were x.com - they locked my account with a little less than a hundred bucks because I got into with one of thier CSRs over an issue and I got nastier than I should have.

Am I the only one who hates how eBay keeps cramming PayPal down every seller's throat?

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Sure seems that way.

You were nasty? Now that comes as an absolute surprise to me.

(*with VERY rare exceptions)

Paypal is convenient, secure, and it gives me a third-party record of the charges to my account and the payment made. It also gives me the option to take back a payment that isn't claimed by the seller, or to reverse a transaction if there's an error. I can pay instantly, get a record that the payment was sent, and often the item gets shipped within a day or two of the auction close. I generally receive the items I bid on within a week of auction-close -- the record is 3 days, and that was a Texas to Michigan shipment by regular US mail. I've used them for about 100 transactions, and I've NEVER had a problem.

Also, once upon a time I upgraded my account so I could get a payment from a friend's credit card, and since then I have received payments once or twice that were from bank accounts and DIDN'T get charged a fee. Maybe it's because I don't RECEIVE very many payments, but I thought you only got charged if the money came from a credit card?

Oops -- I hit the quotie-thingy instead of the edity-thingy...

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Originally posted by Shirley:
once upon a time

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SAY JABBER! Hope you saw that!

Oops! Sorry, Jabber, is that plagerism?

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I have received payments once or twice that were from bank accounts and DIDN'T get charged a fee.

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Maybe from before their policy change?

>> PayPal Fees <<

FYI You can downgrade your account back to a personal account, but only once. If you downgrade your account, upgrade again, you can not downgrade a second time.

I am only a buyer 1. I snipe - 2, Pay only with Pay Pal. 3. won't buy from anyone with BIN listed. 4. or anyone charging more than actual cost of freight. 5. If Fragile I offer seller $5 to $10 depending on size to double box it. 6. I pay by Pay Pal within 10 minutes of closing. 7. Pay Pay Pal with my AA Checking Account,debit card. This gives me many + free yes totaly FREE
Airline Miles - Last year I went to Rome " FREE" for a week and This year I am headed for Australia. If I pay the card in 30 days I still get the miles and have no intrerest.(They plan on your not paying
MY PET PEEVE WITH PAY PAL IS THEY KEEP ASKING FOR ME TO RECONSIDER USING MY CREDIT CARD. THEY WANT TO CHARGE MY CHECKING ACOUNT DIRECTLY - OF COURSE, THEY LOSE THE CREDIT CARD COMMISSION AND $ FLOAT. iT ADDS UP TO MILLIONS FOR THEM. BEFORE E-BAY BOUGHT PAY PAL
IT DIDN'T TAKE FOUR PAGES TO MAKE A PAYMENT.

[This message was edited by Mory on January 27, 2004 at 11:55 AM.]

Hi Mory, I understand everything except #3. May I ask why?

Did you know that once a bid is placed or reserve price is met the BIN dissapears and you can't know it was ever there?

I didn't know that about downgrading my account, but that might be useful. Yes, the payment policy was written that way when I upgraded my account as well, so it looked like I would be charged regardless, but (if I remember correctly) I tried it anyway and didn't get charged. But it only happened once or twice, so I might just be remembering wrong. Or dreaming...

A couple of days ago I dreamed that I was sitting at work with a coworker, discussing what time I should get out of bed to make it to work on time. She told me to turn off the alarm and go back to sleep. So I did. I was late to work that day...

Maybe paypal doesn't charge for transfering existing funds from one paypal balance to another? Don't know. Just that I downgraded to avoid the fees.

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She told me to turn off the alarm and go back to sleep. So I did.

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LOL! I always do what I'm told too... if I want to anyway!

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A couple of days ago I dreamed that I was sitting at work with a coworker, discussing what time I should get out of bed to make it to work on time. She told me to turn off the alarm and go back to sleep. So I did. I was late to work that day...

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ROFL!!!! I am sooo glad that I am not the only one that does such things, although I dont need an alarm clock any more, I have one of those non battery powered ones that start singing "Mum, Mum, Mum" every morning.

Oh and Mory, I will be interested in the answer to #3 too, as it is s'posably unanswerable

Lexie

"If you read - you will judge!"

Puppy your getting ME into HOT WATER i CAN FEEL IT COMING... ok..
a BIN SAYS TO ME... professional - volume seller. I often pay more for the same item
from someone I THINK is an individual. and I also pass on anyone showing "Power Seller"

WHY WHY WHY WEEEEEELLLL
HERE COMES THE RUB......

I HAVE FOUND - YES I HAVE FOUND THAT
INDIVIDUALS 'PACK' Their items carefully7

My last snipe was a battery - carefully double packed by a individual. I had to buy it for $40
to replace the one broken (just dropped in a carton_ by a Power Seller) At Christmas I bought
300 CD's from a Power seller - there was a lot of needless damage...In December. A beautiful Porcelain Vase arrived floating broken in a few newspapers ..I am convinced
an individual would not have done that.

OK Sellers I know this isn't YOU....but this is my buying criteria....I really haven't the time to submit claims and return merchandise - It really takes all the fun out of this......
My PEEVE with individuals (just happened) - ctn with no return address - In RED - fragile THIS Side UP - Camera inside ,,But I got it..mory

Lexie, I was thinking about you and a previous post when I asked the question.

This has nothing to do with anything, but struck my funny bone and had to post it.

Mory, I am a power seller , but I have never BIN. I wrap everything myself and do it as I would want it done. I don't think in all the things I have sold, and there have been hundreds, anything arrived broken!

Hot Water? No I don't think so. Was just wondering.

But since it's the 'Pro' you are trying to avoid, it might be better to look at feedback scores. As I said, the BIN goes away after the first bid, or after the reserve is met.

Well, it might have something to do what is being shipped. Camera equipment is more fragile then some of the other items sold on ebay.

Shirley that's a Hoot...but I have done worse..since I retired...Sat up and started to get dressed when the alarm sounded.. AND
recently dropped a quarter lb of butter in the trash instead of putting in the Frig..

Oh Well....mory

Puppy, you just made my day!!! LOVE the monkey-business -- I gotta send that out to a Friend(R) or two!!!

Puppy - Great Bushamania a new one this week has a dozen photos of hand gestures - Bush and his cabinet plus Condaleesa Rice (spelling_ suggesting sizes...It's election time and its getting rough out there...

Rick, that is true, but I have shipped lots of glass lens and computer equpt. And come to think of it, cameras to Germany!

Shirley posted:

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Oops! Sorry, Jabber, is that plagerism?

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I don't think I can claim originality either!

Jabbergah                                                    

Puppy,

Isn't the one in the upper right corner Howard Dean?!?

Jabbergah                                                    

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Isn't the one in the upper right corner Howard Dean?!?

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Yes, very top fourth pic.

The BIN feature doesn't mean, 'professional eBay seller' to me, but rather, 'this is what I want for this item, but I'll take less if no one snatches it up'.

I use BIN frequently - even to the point where I will display the auctions by 'newest' just to grab it first if someone posts a BIN auction with a low BIN $

Shoddy packaging comes from all sorts of people - that's what looking at feedbacks is for Oh, and I too offer to pay extra to double box items I'm especially afraid of breaking during transit.

Mother Mary Says, 'HONESTLY! you're just ruint!'

Puppy: No I didn't know the BIN went...but what I don't know is endless.. Appreciate the help.

Mrs M...I'd buy anything from you.....

Sorry I'm late with the reply - had to make up a batch of Pierogi for dinner.

Is there a spelling checker buried in this program I haven't found yet? mory

...go to Mory's place for dinner! If not a chef, Mory certainly sounds like a good cook!

Jabbergah                                                    

Awww, Mory, now that was sweet!

Mory, no but I did throw it into the suggestion box!

BTW, the My Snipes is down again!!

It's up for ME.

Puppy, one phrase comes to mind ROFLMAO

happy sniping

There's another good reason to use Paypal apart from the ones mentioned. Because I'm in the UK and often buy from the US, I always use Paypal for these - getting a cheque in dollars is expensive and time consuming.

With Paypal I just click and it takes the right amount of money out of my account - instant!

If it wasn't for Paypal I wouldn't use eBay very much (which would be sad, because it gives me a great deal of fun!)

SS

Well, that was a clear verdict for PayPal, from both buyers and sellers.

So apparently I am just the odd ball. Oh well, I was just wondering how everyone else felt.

I'm an individual seller and I've listed BIN auctions when I want to sell an item and I want to sell it quick. I also do it if I know I won't get much more than x-amount for it and don't want to wait a week for someone to nibble at it.

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I don't bid on auctions that don't accept Paypal.

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I also prefer to bid on auctions that accept Paypal. I will not bid if it's a small amount and I have to buy a money order to pay for it. If they don't accept Paypal but they will accept a personal check I'll bid if I'm not in a hurry for the item. I have my L.L. Bean credit card attached to my Paypal account. Whenever possible, that's what I use for my ebay purchases because I earn points on my card. For every so-much spent, I earn a $10 coupon towards L.L. Bean. I like Paypal because it's instant and it **usually** means my item will be shipped within a day or two of receipt of payment. I say usually because there's the occasional seller who still feels the need to wait for a credit card payment to clear (?). Don't ask. That was a seller from hell who did that to me. lol

I haven't noticed ebay shoving Paypal down my throat. Then again, since I have it and I use it often maybe I don't get the advertisements like the original poster does.

Don't worry, geekline, you're not so much of an oddball. I see auctions all the time with notes from the seller saying "I do NOT accept Paypal".

I'm always tempted to email them and tell them they've just lost my bid (whether I was really planning to bid or not), because I doubt they realize that bidders will actually go away over something like that. But then, chances are they've got very good reasons for their opinion, so why bother? Paypal certainly doesn't pay me to be their ambassador...

Shirley posted:

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I see auctions all the time with notes from the seller saying "I do NOT accept Paypal".

I'm always tempted to email them...

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I did just that on an item LIKE one I'm thinking of listing. The item is an OLD electric guitar, current bid at $1000 plus. I didn't tell the seller why I was asking or that I really wasn't interested in bidding, I just asked why no PayPal? He said since the item was big ticket, he didn't want to pay the big resulting PayPal fee.

I'm inclined to allow PayPal, even for the big ticket items...unless someone on here would like to convince me otherwise?

Jabbergah                                                    

If it were me, I would DEFINITELY want to have the protection of Paypal or someone else on a transaction that big. Just raise your minimum bid to compensate for the fee! That's what your friendly neighborhood grocery store/gas station/department store does!

Just don't try tacking on a fee for ONLY Paypal users -- that's not legal, the way I hear it.