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I have had about three this week. The last one was supposedly a seller complaining that I had not contacted them or made any payment!
Obviously. what you do not do is go near any links.
The auction (USA only!) number did exist, and there was a winning bidder, so I contacted the seller to let them know something was amiss and then forwarded the spoof to ebay.
I have had quite a few 'payments from PayPal' phishing spoofs. Sadly, some people, although they know thay have received no payment, have $$$s in front of their eyes and go like lambs to the slaughter and click on the links. Frown
The worst one I have seen was sent as a 2nd chance offer to a lady that was losing bidder on a car that we were selling.

It was very authenic, but asked for her to pay via paypal to an email that obviously wasnt ours.

Luckily, I had been talking to the lady alot and she emailed me directly to ask what had happened to winning bidder.

You can see why its easy for people to get stooged.
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have $$$s in front of their eyes and go like lambs to the slaughter and click on the links.
Do you really think they are like innocent lambs, Mike? Seems that some of these scams are successful because the “victim” is motivated by greed – get rich quick; something for nothing; karma; such a deal.

Say, I just found a $100 bill – if it belongs to anyone here, let me know and I’ll be happy to ship it to you. You’ll have to send the shipping and handling charges in advance because (insert any excuse). Limit 5 to a customer.
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Originally posted by Mrs.M.:
Mike, I think someone posted that you should not even answer them at all as they can sometimes pick up things just from your typing.

It's OK, Shirl - I deleted the mail after forwarding it to ebay spoofs and never answer them. I just entered the auction number separately on ebay to see if there was actually such a number; many times there is not!

The phishers use links to activate their software to grab your ebay or PayPal ID and password, then proceed to change your identity.

Part of my job is to tell people how to guard themselves against this stuff.
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Originally posted by Rick:
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have $$$s in front of their eyes and go like lambs to the slaughter and click on the links.
Do you really think they are like innocent lambs, Mike? Seems that some of these scams are successful because the “victim” is motivated by greed – get rich quick; something for nothing; karma; such a deal.


Agreed, Rick - they are all motivated by greed!
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King and Blackfoot Chief of the United States


Being of unsound mind, I Paul, Chief Collector of hundreds of useless cameras, decided to investigate the Blackfoot Chief of the US of A

I needed to go no further than the first entry Google brought back to me:

Paranormal Times

I think the replies section is so full of that `infinite wisdom of which you all seek that it should be compulsory reading before any of you post here again!

I have extracted a special quote which I now dedicate to R2 and Mike from Yorkshire

" Hello. I’m from the seti programme.
Does anyone know where I can find the thought technologies?
I’m looking for A... umm, I want to buy a telepathic modem or a microwave oven.

I have a telescope that can see in the night time.

They told me how to take out the mind staples.
They said, don’t be afraid this is standard procedure. They said, I was apart of some sort of research or something.

Then I saw the scientists in white lab coats.
They threw me into a bowl of water
and told me to scrub myself clean.

I did but I didn’t use any soap.

They gave me a key card with the number 26 on it, to open up the security vaults.

I’m going to turn my television to channel six.
Do you have a flash light

p.s. Will you say hi to E.T. for me. "

Some real valuable advice there!


Off to warm up in the microwave for a bit - its damn chilly outside.

Paul
I posted the Seti extract in the Amateur Photographer forum and there have been several calssic replies. I like this one the best:

From Fenris#

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A small green bead in a vultures mouth being carried over the wide open savannah
To Mars and back in an open necked shirt

The moles are coming, hide the mars bars in the clay pots, hidden in the towers

Three figs in your pocket and a toad in your hand
You enjoyed the feeling of a live Toad in the evening!

The river turned green and the boats were full of tiny accountants
When suddenly down swooped a large accountant eating heron

Mmmmph.... Nnnnnnng...... Arg...it's no good....... KIPPER!
Shouted the accountants as the heron grabbed one in it's beak

A kipper in the hand keeps herons at bay, but a kipper on a pizza will spoil your day

They sang cheerfully knowing that they'd be free to eat the pizza'a in peace. Until the Moles returned...
I just got the Yankees ticket spoof ebay - very cleverly done - even the web address that comes up when you press Respond Now looks good - http://www.ebay.com-ws.org/... rather than http://www.ebay.com/ws/... DON'T CLICK ON THEM!
Here's what ebay had to say
Many of these fake emails contain a keystroke virus. If you clicked on any of the links in the email, you may have exposed your computer to this virus.

I can see a lot of people falling for this one! Mad

R2
Ahhhh R2 - I was just gonna post the same thing.

I got an email *from* a buyer that purchased off me a little while back, claiming they hadnt received their item and were going to report me to now.....Didnt bother clicking the RESPOND NOW button as I remembered received feedback for the item and the lady had emailed me to say she was wrapped. I can see how easily people get trapped though.

I got the same response from ebay....

Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay regarding an email message you received.

We have reviewed your report and have found that the message you
received was made to appear as if it had been sent by an eBay user;
however, it was not. All email sent to you from other members through
eBay's email system will also appear in the My Messages portion of My
eBay. If you get an email to your registered eBay email address that
looks like it's from eBay or another eBay member asking a question,
check My Messages first. If it's not there, it's a fake email.

Many of these fake emails contain a keystroke virus. If you clicked on
any of the links in the email, you may have exposed your computer to
this virus.

We are unable to determine if your computer is actually infected with a
virus. If you have not already done so, you should seek out a virus
scanner program to use on your system. I have included a few links below
to get you started in this effort:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/alerts/default.mspx
http://vil.mcafee.com/default.asp?
http://www.f-secure.com
http://www.cnet.com
http://securityresponse.symantec.com
http://netsecurity.about.com/b/a/013754.htm
http://www.trendmicro.com/en/home/us/enterprise.htm

As always, it's a good idea to keep your virus scanner up to date with
the most recent virus definitions. If you do not have a virus scanner,
you can run a free virus scan on your computer at:

http://housecall.antivirus.com

Until you are certain that your computer is virus free, you should take
caution in your computer use. In addition, we suggest that you never
open an email or attachment from someone you don't know. You may need to
contact your email provider to disable any automatic downloading
settings. It is advised that you only download attachments in a secure
setting where you have the ability to scan for viruses before actually
opening the attachment. Please take this opportunity to learn about and
protect your computer from viruses from some of the Web sites above.

To help you better protect yourself from fake eBay and PayPal Web sites,
we have developed a feature for the eBay Toolbar called "Account Guard."
Account Guard includes:

1. An indicator that shows when you are on an eBay or PayPal Web site or
a known spoof (or "phishing") site.

2. Buttons to report fake eBay Web sites to us.

3. A password notification feature that warns you when you may be
entering your eBay password on an unverified site.

To learn more about the eBay Toolbar with Account Guard go to
http://www.ebay.com, click on "Downloads" at the bottom of the page, and then
click on the "eBay Toolbar" link.

Once again, thank you for alerting us to the email you received. Thank
you for your efforts to keep eBay a safe and fair place to trade.
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Originally posted by Camera:
I think that's the worst "mangling" of the English language I have ever read! Some sort of record!

If this strap line is anything to go by, its pure Lewis Carroll!
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The Children of Man Creation...May None Parish




Ah well, if you think today is the 12th April 1999, then perhaps the rest makes sense!


I gave up after the first few sentences. Could not figure exactly what the post was trying to say, and what the relation was to the original subject.

Charles Dodgson aka Lewis Carroll had a much better command of our language!
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All email sent to you from other members through
eBay's email system will also appear in the My Messages portion of My
eBay. If you get an email to your registered eBay email address that
looks like it's from eBay or another eBay member asking a question,
check My Messages first. If it's not there, it's a fake email.


Important to remember!
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Originally posted by Rick:
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Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:
my views about ball things are well known, but would upset many.
Is that a commentary on all ball handling? I must be one of the few not in the known.

Rick
Maybe I haven't upset anyone on this forum with this bit of my soapbox yet!

Here is the tame version:
The world is divided into those who boot, bat or biff balls of divers shapes and sizes around fields of divers shapes and sizes and having incredibly complex rules, together with those who follow such things to the ends of the earth.

Then there are the other sort that do none of these things.

I am of the latter persuasion.
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Originally posted by Camera:
I posted the Seti extract in the Amateur Photographer forum and there have been several calssic replies. I like this one the best:

From Fenris#

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A small green bead in a vultures mouth being carried over the wide open savannah
To Mars and back in an open necked shirt

The moles are coming, hide the mars bars in the clay pots, hidden in the towers

Three figs in your pocket and a toad in your hand
You enjoyed the feeling of a live Toad in the evening!

The river turned green and the boats were full of tiny accountants
When suddenly down swooped a large accountant eating heron

Mmmmph.... Nnnnnnng...... Arg...it's no good....... KIPPER!
Shouted the accountants as the heron grabbed one in it's beak

A kipper in the hand keeps herons at bay, but a kipper on a pizza will spoil your day

They sang cheerfully knowing that they'd be free to eat the pizza'a in peace. Until the Moles returned...

I like this one - a bit like Coleridge whan he was a junkie, as in Kubla Khan.

I would love kippers on a pizza as well, but have to settle for anchovies usually.

Most anglers find kippers difficult to catch! Wink

Wonder what pizza'a means? Our takeaway has numbers!
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Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:
The world is divided into those who boot, bat or biff balls of divers shapes and sizes around fields of divers shapes and sizes and having incredibly complex rules, together with those who follow such things to the ends of the earth.

Then there are the other sort that do none of these things.

I am of the latter persuasion.
A kinsman! Tough thing to be a guy-guy and not be rabid about sports. Also, makes it next to impossible to carry on a conversation once the topic of sports is eliminated. But, there’s always the weather.

Super Bowl Sunday isn’t as exciting for me as it is for those that love sports. But, even for someone like me, Janet Jackson was entertaining. Also, the Super Bowl commercials are entertaining, and INFORMATIVE, especially for kids that don’t know the potentially painful and embarrassing side effects of Viagra type products. Talk about foul play. The thought of having to be admitted to the emergency room because of “it” not wanting to discontinue standing-at-attention must have been a painful mental image for all the viewers – male and female alike. It would have been interesting to listen to some of the viewing-parents explain to their young daughter that “erect” didn’t only pertain to posture.

[warning] If you’re under 18, don’t read that last paragraph.[/warning]
Here is the latest email that hit my OZ server...interesting that the CIA sees ebay as an illegal site...and no I have not been going to THOSE sites. There is no point in watching if you are not the star Big Grin


Dear Sir/Madam,

we have logged your IP-address on more than 30 illegal Websites.

Important:
Please answer our questions!
The list of questions are attached.


Yours faithfully,
Steven Allison



++++ Central Intelligence Agency -CIA-
++++ Office of Public Affairs
++++ Washington, D.C. 20505

++++ phone: (703) 482-0623
++++ 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., US Eastern time
Greetings Dear Children of many wishes!

Oh my God I'm so terribly offended...There seems to be one reaching for a kind of super approval in the great lime light of some "Yes Man" or woman!

Not to mention this "Yes Man" or is it really a women?...exhibiting a juvenile picture of an empty mouth fit for the ocassion of some popular comment. And do you always play such a squeeky second fiddle to just any bone head blow hard on the net?...Dahhhh!

You can validate me and my heritage by US Federal "chain of command"...If you are truly concerned about what is real and what is not concerning me...search for the history of the long time classified "royal program" sponsored by the US Federal Government in our early beginnings.

Possibly the manner in which my letters were written wasn't up to your personal standards...but I can assure that they are readable...I can also assure you that if you don't believe it today...you will surely believe it as time continues regardless of my much to perfect grammar and overwhelming magnetic presentation of which you seem to be so concerned.

It’s not necessary to write an apology and I don’t expect one! I am not sorry if I offended you in my cause to relate! After all you are all "big people" right?. Anyway, I believe it’s truly more of a cause that you learn at your own expense from that which you have already chosen. Yada! Yada! and Yada!

Hell-Low and thanks for the encouragement...Because you have at least taken the time to make a comment...Many Blessings to you from The American Chieftain~Conrad M. Cummings "63", Federal Vendor, St.Louis MO. USA
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...This is my article that the few now "strangly damned souls" were so quick to judge as unreadable misinformation...

Also...and if this doesn't relate to "Spoof gets smarter" well I'll just have to let a few noisy double frampers and scream some hail Marys at the devil over there with his arm around your momma and my sins will surly be forgiven. ?A-Men huh Brother?

To understand or recieve this information...is entirely up to the reader...Please Enjoy!

Concerning this Letter...I've even related who I am "to include" my expertise"...Well, because of a common sense need to relate a little knowledge concerning these times. !"Ignorance is Bliss...However...Knowledge is related more to Expedience"! ...Including things like "A Collectors Greatest Treasure Is That Of Knowledge” or real knowledge and etc. and etc.

Greetings form the intermediate of the great Aggregate (The largest estate by volume), the most feared in all creation and sometimes referred to as “The Great Spirit”...They are six in number, they are the very best in the command of substance and they are known as black hooved chiefs... I am also legal US Government and Indigenous sponsored King and Blackfoot Chief of the United States and the Americas...

Unfortunately the prophecies concerning me (The Peacemaker & The Two white Buffalo) and the indigenous are following the paths of prophecy quite well...Ha! Ha! or You just don’t know me...! Or what should I appear to be and how should I relate according to another...Anyway and/or however I am here and that’s a good sign for all concerned...Concerning the prophecies that’s really all “especially the Indigenous” need to know...The remainder is self explanatory concerning common sense...as in upward and onward...

Have no fear of these times and their unusual changes...I have some basic knowledge that I feel is important to relate concerning these changes as related below...I would like to say “not as some unique disclosure of great wisdom” but as common sense concerning what I actually have to relate...and that is: “Remain steadfast...Use and enjoy what you have in abundance until the great tributary flux has completed itself. (Further explained in the below documentation)...Because when it completes itself we will all be primarily steadfast within parameters of where we shall be...with the exception of some time travel and related differences of choice concerning lifestyle and onward...

...And also to the Indigenous: You have Many Blessings and more than Many Lifetimes “Oneidas”...I am relating these few words to you “Oneidas”...possibly because my Mother was named Onetta (formally known as Oneida)...(many puns intended)...and because we (my Mother and I) spent much time on the perimeters of time and creation when I was a child...And possibly because I am committed to do so...!

...Concerning psychics of these times...

...not that I have wished these things to take place...however I have related this information so psychics of these times will at least be advised as to the dangers that are becoming present within the many times present day.

For those who care "I would have you pass this information on to any and all so they might know what is really present in the ever respected “now”...Anyway, what ever their choices afterward...well...at least they have been informed or warned and if...wither they can receive the information or not...?isn’t it a matter of choice?

As for me and my ultimate expertise (being able to create changes on a grand scale)...because I have affiliations in other times and places...even so...a window must be open and I must be knowledgeable of the times and relatable markers...and with much past future viewing of what can and cannot be (that’s me)...However I am one man...and my position is a very far cry from the god concept or even playing god (for lack of a better choice of words). "This is basically my forever signature and has been so since my birth"...and in many ways “even before that”...!

I have not lived my life as a model citizen...However the reasons for this I have received and understand why...I am “now” a federal employee and live with my spouse in the USA...

This is all that needs to be said concerning me...except that I have many titles in creation and in this day and time...

The below document is one that I’ve created as a knowledgeable advisory “primarily for psychics” of this day and time...Further meaning that “in truth” I have related enough (however there is much more) for a basic understanding of the “now”...If these things are not received then “if” will be more in concern as your true path...this does not mean that you are damned in anyway...you’ll just be a little short concerning the actual truth of a few things...

I have had my say concerning the matter...And that “say” is one of truth...Also “in all due respect” please be advised of why I sometimes say: “Many Stars to YOU (many lifetimes)...This is what’s before you (meaning “Many Lifetimes”)...concerning your true freedom...and what you do with it...will surly be your choice...

...in good faith...as always,

Many Blessings to All...Children of Man Creation USA

Greetings in simple waters from the “Children of Man Creation" CMC USA,

...Many Blessings

I can't send this document to every time traveler, American, American Indigenous, Psychic or individual in the world and etc. in this day and time. Although in a manner of speaking I’ve done so already...If one can perhaps actually read this letter, you will find it rather informational as a beginning to what is present in this day and time...Further meaning that “this beginning knowledge” involves everyone's well being concerning any point from on/or about the beginning of the millennium until 2026 or possibly 2028 AD...

Please read the following "this is not a hoax or a joke"...I am a creation chieftain and no matter how fictional or frictional this may sound "I am giving to you vital information" so please be advised to think these things over"...I am quite well informed and I have been around for a very long time...Thank you and Please receive these things because "receive them or not" they will not change!...

Please read and "if possible" receive this information and understand that this is not a joke or a mythical fabrication...

Peace be with You & Yours, forever and always...CMC USA
...Please Enjoy!

I'm The Peacemaker ("CMC (Children of Man Creation”...however the 2nd "C" is usually placed backwards) & Two White Buffalo (their names are pronounced Te and Tei`...a French spelling)...as they related to me when we first met).

!I am also known as the red dragon of the prophecies of the Indigenous!...?”Are you impressed”?...(I am not a light hearted person however my related knowledge is very serious)

I was born October 6, 1942 Indianapolis, Indiana. Libra, Libra with Moon in Leo for those that have an interest in these areas. I am also a “Christian and etc.” as is permitted by and for the expedience of your life and lifestyle.

I am the only US legal Gov and indigenous sponsored king of the US and the Americas...and Blackfoot Chief of the United States. Official parameters of office as King of the US were amended shortly my birth was to be a sure thing. If you have official reasons for verification of these things...they may be obtained by US Federal Chain of Command. ( more on this account at the ending of this document ).

An example of things I attend: “I once walked the creation perimeter eternally at the age of six in a lengthy repair of that perimeter (that which separates time and place from one another). Also many things of like nature such as restoration of the ozone hole problem which I announced two weeks in advance and many etc. etc. and excetras. I have been known to even grant wishes from time to time. However magical one might think, most of my expertise is from past future knowledge and from time line affiliations. I am no stranger to hell, heaven and places in between, within this time and also adjoining times and places. Meaning I have a rounded basic knowledge of the aggregate of creation.

Being more honest than modest I am the single most knowledgeable man of the aggregate of creation A-Z. For this reason I am known as “The Black King of Creation” (meaning knowledge). ”Yes, I am a figure of prophecy”! And yes I have a choice concerning these things. And for this reason concerning “the now” it is important that I must relate things in like nature (like those things related in this letter) so that these times may be better informed concerning “what may be dire situations for some” during this “Green Arrow” time of creation (something passing once).

Also and until approximately 2026 to 2028 AD, make use of those things you have in abundance (a kind of “bide your time” thing for many). This is for reasons of a great tributary flux affecting mostly the times and places of mankind. This “tributary flux” began on or about the beginning of the millennium (as a pre defined marker) and will continue until 2026 or possibly 2028 AD at the outer most branches.

This is being naturally affected because of the last changing of the great abyss. Meaning that it is changing from a “catacomb and dimensional stair cased signature” to one of “line to light and forever” in great extremes of total darkness with great clusters of heavy goblets of void, extending or rather receding within more darkness with heavy to light flack areas, continuing in great expanses of lesser darkness with occasional but sparse patches of semi twilight...continuing on into physical distances that are so great, even psychic probes are corrupted.

This is known as “The Last Time of The Abyss” because it’s the very last time the abyss will change. And because of these things “Prophecies will come true” (I do know the futures of these things extensively). “This is accurate information”...So please read, receive and understand these things. That is to say, if this information becomes in anyway expedient to you, yours and whatever you might attend.

Just to mention “concerning this information” (which was not believed in past times) is the reason why many estates both great and small of the creations of man will be ultimately crippled and many will parish irreversibly. I know the accounts of these (like the mysteries of the 7 seals (including the 7th Seal) and much more: “Such as American indigenous prophecies and etc., because this is my expertise”.

...Also concerning this last changing of the great abyss and until its completion...

It will be extremely detrimental especially for any that engage in time crossings “especially from estate to estate” and even physic probes during this time may cause insanity and death.

Consequences of these things will result in perishment irreversible for time line crossings especially between estates. Especially physic probes beyond creation perimeters (For those who are active in this expertise).

And faulty information will arise in many places concerning internal physic usage. This can also be detrimental, resulting in mental irritations and strange forms of insanity and death during these above related times.

Also during this time there will be unstable lashings out of feelings in various places. This will concern primarily the estates of mankind. These things will be active on or about the beginning of the original millennium until 2026 to 2028 AD, which exist as the outer most branching of the tributary flux. This tributary flux of approximately 30 years marks the beginning and ending of the changing of the abyss from one of “stair cased dimensional catacombs”, to one of great darkness in a line to light signature of forever. However there is a “knot within the ball” effect (for lack of a better choice of words) that exists as a highly unstable area called “The Corduroy” within this “line to light and forever” last time of the abyss.

I am not trying to “sell myself” as a great “I Am”! It’s the information that I have lived to learn for my now accepted purpose concerning those interested in true real world accounts of creation in its entirety.

I of course know my own future and its options!...And concerning “All of these things A to Z”, no matter what your walk in life may be “or will be” in duality, duality of similar, singularities, the many estates of creation, alien or/and etc. etc. etc. ...or/and/of those things created without end.

I am also the same figure as related in the legend "Promise of the Iroquois"...or who is The Peacemaker and Two White Buffalo (Their names are pronounced “Te n’ Tei`” a French spelling as they (T & T) related to me when we first met at mid day on the front lawn of our old Scottish flag mansion farm “11700 E. Grand River Rd” (old highway 16), 5 miles East of Brighton, Michigan (late 1940s).

...A key to the door and a heart of gold...

Many Stars to You (Many Lifetimes),

From Conrad M Cummings (Legal US Gov and Indigenous sponsored legal Blackfoot Chief of the United States and Legal but unofficial King of the United States and the Americas (The American Chieftain)...(ETS or Since my birth Oct 6, 1942 we (The United States and the Americas) has been US and Internationally Consecrated Royal Ground)...“This was once highly classified and/or of things not normally related even in recent past times”). (Gov Legal Heritage Verifications by US Federal Chain of Command “Library of Congress” subject of search: “royal program”).

There are many in similar steps as mine within these times and affiliations...some can relate as I do and some cannot...

About wars, populations, terrorist and the many excetras of these times...Concerning some of these dire events “I am able to change when a window is open”.

...However...

I know the true origins of these things concerning much and many demises present day...(and in other levels of unrelated concern)...But should “I or anyone” interfere with to much of “what is” without prior knowledge of “what is”, the consequences may become much worse because of the many steadfast origins and seemingly unusual purposes “to most” concerning these things.

May None Parish
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...Perhaps this account might be of interest to friends especially in the UK...

The Blackfoot Chief Chronicles

20. Repair of the Great Smoothness (a copyrighted but upublished account of the times)

SHERLOCK HOLMES wrote, "It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. Insensibly, one begins to twist the facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. It biases the judgment."

My Story Experiences are all true accounts and I am very much aware of what is and what can be concerning those things that I relate.

Within the aggregate of all things there is a remaining space where numbers run out and cease to exist, which is 1/6 of 1 percent of the aggregate. Within this highly unstable portion we find answers for that which has gone amiss.

This is why the perfection of things change and why we are sometimes able to change what is available to us in a given space and time. An example of this might relate like this, "You have two pieces of rope and you tie them together to make one long enough for an intended purpose". You accomplish this by tying them together with a knot. Therefore you have repaired it for the intended purpose. The knot is therefore the variable and also a good gamble for the ropes continuance in its new length. However it may not look pleasing and perhaps it might cause a problem if you tried to slide something by it.

Within this 1/6 of 1 percent of the aggregate where numbers cease to exist, nothing remains continuous forever, like our clothes, our colors, our languages, also what and who we are as mankind. As relating to the spirit of mankind and forever as “in god we trust”, we have, we will and we shall focus corporately in the creation of many things have and that will replenish eternally. The bottom line being that “we must relate to change and replenish or endure always that which we are not accustomed”.

About The Great Smoothness
!There were holes in the floor of heaven!

Sometimes referred to as "The Plastic or in older times what was formally known as "The Great Smoothness" which is a great plastic sheath covering and separating the times. Like a one way mirror “upward and onward” stealth and untouchable from the underside, the side from which life normally presents itself.

With the exception of any breaching or tares from the top side, this "Cellophane like Sheath" functions like a mirror reflecting only one way, 26 to 28 ft above normal ground level creating our sky and universe in our combined realities of the normally accepted "forever & always".

Discovery of the sheath by my family in the late 1940's o9f that time, led us to a necessary decision to repair damages previously done to portions of the sheath by unknown travelers and possibly looters who had torn the sheath in many places throughout what we know as the Security Continuance Plastic of the many times and places of mankind.

The length of the repair involved many years, lifetimes with the direct understanding of eternity itself. It was a security repair that was very much needed and long overdue. We do know that this most necessary "repair action" has made a difference concerning the greater possibility of more dire states of friction and upheaval in the overall trend of things.

I could just as easily say its all "fiction" and leave it at that. However none of this relating is "fiction". And I have no direct way of officially relating the many things that I write as the “gospel truth”, however this story in particular I did learn in it’s entirety with much “hands on experience”. Being more honest than modest “I am the single most knowledgeable man” of major times and places of mankind within the aggregate of creation “A to Z” with no exceptions. This includes the forever future and the futures of mankind, etc. etc. and etc.

There are many things in controversial claims of knowledge concerning the unknown. Further meaning that if we were in more true knowledge of these things, possibly science, technology and mankind in general might have more longevity in expedient directions of discovery than we have previously known. Only time will tell concerning that which I relate a steadfast truths, however it would be to a much greater expedience if those thing that I relate were received now rather than later.

Concerning all my related documents and stories: "Being more honest than modest" I am the single most knowledgeable man in all of creation concerning many things that have remained in controversy throughout the ages...Well, because I know the pasts and futures of mankind in a far less mysterious way than most, “even my own”!

The references for my writing are from a most complete and rounded format of the entirety or aggregate of creation, geologically and otherwise A to Z...or what is past present and future.

Concerning the usual country, state and world governments. Governments are rarely informed or trusted in actual creation matters, this being a long standing "rule of thumb" down through the ages.

Continuing With

Making repairs on the floor of heaven or what is formally as “The Great Smoothness”, now known as the plastic ( what is our security perimeter ) and is "26 to 28 ft above normal ground level". This makes possible our sky and universe.

The following documentation is in part explanation concerning the "Plastic" or stealth-like sheath that lies 26 to 28 ft above normal ground level. This concerns its most recent repair changes and otherwise to include events of personal experiences that I have chosen to relate.

There were only two of us working to repair the damage on the continuance sheath where others in the past discovering it's presence had hastily and carelessly created rips and tares in various places for whatever reasons they had for doing so. Although, these hasty plunderings seemed to have been made at some length prior to the time that we discovered them. We were still in concern about the reasons for those rips and tares not being honorable.

And of course being even more concerned that these already created "rips and tares" might be used as entrances and exists to this time and others. All this we know was possible from our prior experiments with Time on/and/under the Plastic before we began the great repair.

And it was easy to ascertain that any past security concerning the sheath had seemingly never entered into the plan of it's original creation and purpose other than the natural effect of it's placement. If there were any actual plan of security concerning it, it must have been long ago and long forgotten.

So we elected to repair the damage done to the sheath no matter how long the repair might take because we knew how to live and work on the plastic without “time” being a dire consequence. We could enter the sheath in any particular place in time and remain for any duration upon the sheath and return to the place of entry. We learned about the sheath and how to repair it literally from trial and error. We learned how to make repairs "by hand" without leaving a seam or an incriminating mark that could be detected from either side of the continuance sheath.

Meaning that once the repair was completed from the top side of the sheath, it would make re-discovery of it impossible from the underside side. We conducted a few experiments moving things from one time to another "using the sheath" and discovered that in doing so "sometimes" it would cause drastic changes related to increasing violence and discord among the "now" of the time from an object came.

These "simple" but effective experiments and what occurred because of them we were able to confirm mostly through radio broadcasts concerning the everyday news and current events of that Time (late 1940’s).

It wasn't what I would call "fun" and it was a bit trying at times regardless of the "forever' aspect that being upon the sheath afforded. The project from beginning to end became a great dedication of concern and responsibility for what we had undertaken.

After our seemingly time-less research "learning about the sheath" we set about the repairs basically in quarters until it was completed. During the first quarter of the repair we worked together for companionship, learning and helping one another from time to time. As we became more experienced we decided to separate, each being responsible for the completion of a quarter. This left one remaining quarter to be completed.

I was "6" yrs of age..."there was no physical aging on the plastic and my adult partner during this unusual event was my unusual Mother. Mom and I conversed briefly before the last quarter of the sheath was to be finished. She related to me that she was tiring of the crusade and needed to get back to her everyday desires concerning life at the old farmhouse. She related that she would seal up the last remaining dimensional tare that extended through the 2nd floor hallway ceiling of the farm house before she returned for the last time. This where we first gained access the plastic.

My adult partner "Mom" and I had worked together for a very long time on the Plastic and we were both very much adults concerning one another and what we were about. For purposes of returning home (beneath the sheath) no matter how long we were gone, we were always able to return back on the same date and time from which we had departed. It had been my wish to stay and complete the repair of last quarter.

She related that I didn't have to complete the remaining quarter because after a brief inspection of it, it appeared to contain no breaching and there were no visible signs of life beneath. Anyway, as far as any temporary inspection of it might have revealed. “However” she stated: "I know its important to you that the repair be completed as planned" (meaning we had first decided to inspect and cover everything). As we adjourned "this" our last meeting, I went my way to complete what I deemed necessary for the completion of the repair.

We never engaged or gave acknowledgment to anyone during our repairs. However, we would occasionally come down in different places when no-one was present to acquire simple tools and things we needed for those continued repairs...

First Contact with friends from the future



"Unknown to me" some children at the far end of the last quarter that I was repairing did see me during portions of those repairs. This had occurred on occasion "from Time to Time" in this particular place at the far end of time. It resulted in rumors of a great hairy ape like god creature the children called Nebogipfel that appeared in the skies over that area from time to time.

They were actually seeing my shadow 26 to 28 ft above normal ground level as I was closing a few breaches in the plastic. This involved a number of years for them. Please understand that time on the sheath "from place to place" is not as much of concern as the lengthy difference that presents itself in contrast beneath the sheath.

As related to me by the adults of that time, their children had many stories concerning a strange figure they had seen from time to time from the fields in the skies of that time. This figure that they had named "Nebogipfel" was a kind of God to them. The figure of course being "yours truly".

The Story Begins

They were much like our children of the late 20th century as they were playing in the fields of their time. I didn't see them at first because I was busy with the repair and I still have no memory of seeing anyone "ever" in the fields below during that time. Because some of the adults had been complaining because of their seemingly made up stories, they ran to the nearby town “on this occasion” to inform the adults. Saying they had seen their secret mystery god "Nebogipfel" in the skies over the fields once again. Because of the disbelief of their stories they didn't wish to keep it a secret from the adults as in before times.

The adults came immediately and haled me, asking me to come down. However I was cautioned never to acknowledge strangers during the repairs and I could have easily covered the tare quickly "as usual" and vanished from their site. But I was impressed by the love and concern they were showing. Because of this I untied the long rope from about the waist of an old field jacket that I had appropriated while searching for tools during other portions of the repair. I lashed one end of the rope to a torn edge of the breached plastic and ascended to the tall grassy field where "to my surprise" they caught me gently in their arms as I climbed down the rope. I was only "6" and small for my age. I had been a child of six for a very long time and I was hoping it was not going to end because of my decision to stop for a visitation.

I stayed with them for three days, sleeping most of the time. They had a security guard with me constantly. They gave me a complete physical exam saying that according to their "Atomic Saliva Test", I hadn't eaten or had anything in my mouth, not even my fingers, for at least 6 months. They said that when they first created their "Atomic Silvia Test" (they called it) they had no practical reason for having to go beyond 6 months and therefore it wasn't accurate beyond that length of time.

They related that I was in excellent health. Although they were more advanced than us they were still "in the dark" as to how it was possible for someone to work and exist in a "forever sense" without sleep, food or water and without attending to normal body functions "day by day". Later on they may have discovered the reasons. I was going to explain it to them, however as I began thinking it over "I didn't really know where to begin".

However with the confirming results of the atomic saliva test and some psychic investigation into the matter, they began to research and document the occasion because it was in positive link to them concerning a number of things in controversy in that Time.

They wanted me to remain with them and not return to my time. They said they did not wish to intimidate me concerning the matter and my decision would be honored. I choose not to remain with them because I was dedicated to completing the repair work on the Plastic.

They gave me one small cup of black coffee after placing me in one of their dwellings with a security guard. After drinking the coffee I soon went to sleep. They did not feed me or give me anything more to drink for the 3 days that I remained as their guest...I was only awake for about 4 hours of my 3 day visit. They said that they didn't want to upset my chemical balance by feeding me because I had elected to return to the plastic.

Referring to the plastic, they said they had reason to believe that “something of that nature” existed but didn't know exactly where it was or how it existed.

They related that to the west of their creation was a great abyss and that it was impossible for them to exist within it. They said we have one enemy "The Trolls" and they can exist in the abyss. Further relating that they had an atomic war with them shortly after they first arrived for possession of the land on which they then lived.

Further relating they had won the first conflict with the Trolls for rights to the land. They said there would be a final conflict with the trolls and they had only a fifty-fifty chance of winning. For this reason they ask me not to cover the area were the abyss joined their occupation at this far end of time.

They said when the trolls come for the last time and we know they will “although we will know well in advance of when they arrive” as a matter of pride we would like to physically be able to see them coming! Saying once again that they had only a 50/50 chance of winning the next and final conflict with the trolls for rights to the land "they will come anyway".

They related that my job on the plastic must be important, saying to me: "Therefore it will be your decision should you cover the area or not "They said". I made it a point not to cover that area and stayed at a distance from it to ensure that I would not.

They remarked at one point that I had the continence of a 26 yr old male of their time, however I was only a child of "6". I understood it to be a compliment and I received it as such.

I had lived for more than many years on the plastic "but for all practical purposes" I was still a only child of "6". I had made that my life and I accepted it in that light. I do remember it all very well and it was not exactly "a piece of cake" as I sometimes make it sound. I do know that I have never experienced so much time in strife and loneliness in the form of a man child as I first blindly endured the great longevities in the first beginnings of those repairs. By the time the repair of the last quarter came into view I was well seasoned concerning the matter. The repair of the last quarter was quite lengthy but I welcomed the challenge and as I’ve related it was rather interesting.

I was indeed "6" yrs of age for a very, very long time. Because once you conquer your desires "on the Plastic" concerning the need to eat, sleep or give heed to bodily functions, "the body doesn't age" as long as you remain on the Plastic. Also concerning a tolerable mental state for this adjustment, at first requires also a lot of practice, paying attention to what must be accomplished, fueling incentive to continue from feelings denied and learning to endure because of prime dedications to the task at hand.

These people had actually detained me for the 3 days without my consent "allowing me to sleep". They informed me of this later. They did so because they were creating a surprise for me! The surprise was an "Atomic Heat Sealer created for me to aid me in my repair work.
It was light gray, about 4 ft long, 8 inches wide and 4 inches deep, ultra light weight and attuned to my senses so no-one else could use it. It had a long slit in the bottom where it would attach and draw to the Plastic "effortlessly stretching" and sealing without leaving a seam...Before the gift of the Atomic Heat Sealer, all of this I learned to accomplished by hand. The Atomic Heat Sealer made the job effortless and required only 1/5th of the time.

On one end they added a continuously changing Kaleidoscope that could be easily viewed through the open clear plastic lens at it's lower end. They created this for my amusement "they said", adding that should I want to take a break, I could amuse myself with the kaleidoscope (however, I never took breaks). They said, so that I would remember them and know that they are a people of good intent.

They said: "We are going to trust you with this"! We are only asking that you to do one thing concerning this trust. Saying, when you have finished repairs, leave the Heat Sealer on the plastic and do not take it back with you back into your time. Saying further: "We have ways of returning it to our own Time". It’s a matter of security with us "they said"!.

I once stopped and looked at the continually changing patterns of the kaleidoscope sometime after returning to the repair. What a fascinating toy I thought. I then made a mental note to indulge myself later when the repairs were finished. When my work was completed I did so. I then left the Atomic Heat Sealer laying on the endless Plastic as I had been instructed...and returned to my Time of 1948, 11700 E. Grand River Rd. (old highway 16), about 5 miles south east of Brighton, Michigan USA (It is “now” primarily a ski resort town).

...Explaining somewhat further about how the mechanics of the repair was accomplished...

The plastic will replace itself when it is pulled or stretched to accommodate the distance from one edge to another. It being possible to stretch and attach one edge to another "without a seam" by binding, pressing and holding the two exposed edges together “making sure they meet evenly and touch in the same way” then suddenly "letting go" of both edges at the same time as it quietly snaps together without leaving a seam.

It takes awhile to get the knack of it "not to mention" that the "Plastic" is exactly like cellophane in physical signature with the exception of it actually function which is like a one way mirror reflecting what should be above in a combined effort of forever and always. It separates time from time allowing a day by day signature of life death and rebirth so long as it exists.

The plastic being the thickness of cellophane and of the same/same similarity signature. However because of dimensional placement and attributes it creates a one way mirror 26 to 28 ft above normal ground level. From beneath it, it sustains what we know as the natural creation of things and reflects one way "upward and onward" creating our sky and universe. Beneth this plastic (where we exist) it is stealth and untouchable unless a tare or opening has been created from the other side, exposing it to the "now".

Once on top of the Plastic, it is indeed a kind of neutral zone with "semi- twilight visibility being no-more than 10 to 12 ft in any direction. It boarders, covers, protects and segregates the times and places of mankind, even separating individuals in many remote privacies "one from another". Also making possible the thing we know as "life and death" to continue without dire concerns of actually perishment and unwanted invasions from one another. This would involve dire conflicts without death, generating old beginnings of actual hell fire and brimstone situations of much evil that most always relate in perishment irreversible for more than many.

...More about...My friends I visited in the future...

They told me of the time they came from and why they departed and moved to the place where they were at the time of my visitation. They said that beginning experimental applications of atomic energy with it's destructive and sometimes uncontrollable forces was the reason that first drove them from the mainstream of mankind to discover the place in which they then existed.

They talked about how they lived, about their profound knowledge of atomic energy, saying "We first learned it's standards for the purposes of war”, adding that they wished it were possible for them to have learned the peaceful standards first. Saying we still do not yet know all the peace time standards but we have been learning about them.

My visit had inspired reason for them to research and document the occasion giving way for construction of a book concerning their ideas about the plastic that I was repairing" they said". And it was related that this was normal protocol of their time for conveying information and knowledge to their public.

They maintained they had the best psychics and writers in creation as they know it. They stated that they were preparing a book concerning the plastic that I was repairing and when the book was completed they wanted me to receive a copy of it.

They said: "You will receive the book when you are 53. They said not to be concerned about this "we have ways of making it happen"! They further related that I would come to a bad state of affairs at the age 53. Saying further that they picked that particular time of my life for me to receive the book because "they said" we thought it might offer some comfort for you during that time. During that time when you read the book you will remember us and know that we are a people of good intent". Later when I was 53, all came to pass as they had said. I did read the book, remembering them and indeed it was a great comfort to me.

They related that they couldn't trace my life beyond 57 yrs of age, saying they didn't know what happened to me after that. They said I wasn't dead but I was just no-where to be found. The add about reason is because of the “now” presence of the great tributary flux effected by the last changing of the great abyss within the aggregate of creation. This is called the green arrow of creation (something passing once). Everything they have related to me has always been most correct!

About the book they (my friends of the future) were constructing at that time to convey their ideas concerning the plastic “they said” they would make it possible for me to receive a copy of that same book when I was "53"...The name of that book came to be "The Time ships" by Stephen Baxter, published in this time of our late-20th century.

However because of: “the tributary flux effected by the last changing of the great abyss, effecting mostly the estates of mankind”. This began on or about the year 2000 AD, extending 26 to 28 years to the farthest branching of great tributary flux which concerns “endings and/or continuations” within the entirety of all times and places because of the approximate 30 years needed to complete the final changing of the last abyss.

My friends I visited at the far end of time related that I would recognize the book they were creating by the name "Nebogipfel" that would be in the book. They said: "This is the name our children gave to you after seeing your shadowed figure "hi in the air" over the fields many times before we discovered your presence.

Reiterating just a bit!...I became acquainted with these unique people during my solo completion of the repairs on the remaining quarter of the Continuance Sheath/or Plastic in the late 1940's of this time. They were in orchestration of the original document and placement of the information which was later completed by Mr. Stephen Baxter for the novel “The Time Ships”.

It occurred to me much later as I was reading “The Time ships” that it was so unique that the spokesman for that time was none other than the same “Mr. Stephen Baxter” of Today. You must understand that some things are just around the corner and true understandings of many situations are sometimes a one way street. Anyway, I will further attempt to explain?

As I was reading the novel as I recognized Mr. Baxter as the spokesman from that future time from his picture in the back cover of the novel “The Time Ships”. Once again, you must understand that because of the last changing of the great abyss, beginning on or about the year 2000 AD. has caused a great tributary flux lasting 26 to 28 years at the outer most branches. This in turn has caused the time I visited concerning Mr. Baxter to exhibit a “4 to 5 way split” in a kind of branching of dualities of similar. The “flux” effecting of course “not just Mr. Baxter” but many times, places and people “in many ways” of mostly the creation estates of mankind.

To totally explain what is not accepted as present day knowledge “concerning the above” might require a great deal of time, space and schools of special learning depending upon strength of character and expertise. Anyway, I am familiar with the differences of such things in the above! And should this document reach the time and place of the real Mr. Baxter in the positive of the above relating, then al is well!. And ?possibly? “All is Well” Anyway ! However from personal acquaintance concerning these things I am also aware of truth of these differences.

They lived in one of the most remote and farthest reaching areas of time under the plastic. They are indeed as they had said "A people of good intent", peace loving, and kind hearted.

Best Wishes From...The United States Blackfoot Chief~Conrad M Cummings

Author's ending note and confirmations
If you care to read further

The account related below is in confirmation to the book that I was to receive when I was 53. And that I did receive "just as they had said"! ...

During the late summer of 1995, I relocated from California to Springfield, Missouri which is the center of the world Bible belt.

In the Springfield area during that time stores had began to take all diverse reading material off the book shelves because of a religious conflict in the bible belt. I was looking for a good science fiction novel to bide my time. However I could find none because of a religious conflict condemning science fiction as immoral and perverse materiel. I finally found one science fiction novel that someone had dared to leave on their shelf and only one!

Reiterating what these Stephen Baxter people of the future had said concerning my receiving of particular information in a book (which has now been named The Time Ships) that they originally put together with the expertise of the best authors with channeled information from the greatest psychics in creation.

After reading a portion of the novel, it was easily recognizable as the same book related in the above story...because of the name “Nebogipfel” that I recognized when I began reading the book...Recognition of the name immediately restored my memories of times past concerning them.

The Time Ships Novel contains many things directly related to the plastic security sheath that I repaired in the late 1940's. Its true correct and ancient name being "The Great Smoothness" which is a the Security Continuance Sheath that is referred to as "The Plastic" in the English science fiction “which is in truth is more fact than fiction” or what is "The Time Ships" by Stephen Baxter.

The manuscript for that particular novel was placed inadvertently within this time to be found and later published. The details of this were not mentioned to me during any of the conversations with those instrumental in the original creation of the manuscript for the story. These things were later defined in this time by Mr. Stephen Baxter himself. Because of dualities of similar coupled by the great changing of the abyss I believe that the majority of past memories are less to be present concerning the Mr. Baxter of this time. Even so, the Stephen Baxter of this time should be commended for his written contributions as great prep for those present day and onward.

The Time Ships by Stephen Baxter is indeed as strange and interesting as the Charing Cross Rd bookstore account of how English author "Stephen Baxter' had been given some unclaimed manuscripts by the owner of a small secondhand bookshop, situated just off The Charing Cross Road in London, that had been bequeathed to him by a friend as 19th century fact fiction...and then given to Mr. Baxter because of his great interest in 19th century fact fiction...The remainder of this information is better defined in the Editor’s Notes at the beginning of the l995 Harper Collins Novel "The Time Ships" by Stephen Baxter...

Thank you Mr. Stephen Baxter for your novel: "The Time Ships"...! The Novel being great prep "especially in these times" and is written in a style that I relate to as: "Very Well done"!...And just to mention "The Ending" of the Novel suddenly and very nicely becoming the beginning of a Love story...

This Chronicle Story is dedicated to Mr. Stephen Baxter

The following is for the more concerned and/or advanced within the aggregate of creation.

Relating the latest in actual Creation News...Concerning the fate of a small expanse of our forever security sheath or that which exist stealth as our security perimeter "upward and onward" 26 to 28 ft above normal ground level.

...relating to this "Time" as a marker being in proximity Times of the original marker millennium year of 2000 AD...It has been in direct knowledge that portions of the continuance sheath have been taken as security coverings for some of the smaller, secretive, but very wealthy and newly erected eternal estates..."Concerning any profound importance of this knowledge"..."3" of these estates are rather outstanding, each one being individually owned/and/or maintained by small but very wealthy groups or "individual corporatists" that have broken off from their original beginnings.

These smaller but new and usually wealthy creations exist on a long "finger like" peninsula, formally in relation to the following geological named creation places within the aggregate. These are The Big Red Crown Territory, The Tower Area and The Area of the Ditch, jutting out from the vast Desert Territory of the old Creation...This "finger like" island having the Wilderness Area on one side and the endless Badlands on the other...in example this is similar to the way Florida is attached as a peninsula of North America.

Because of the quick fix construction of these New estates with their plastic coverings in thrown over tent like signature, securing their perimeters "all being basically in a row"...The plastic coverings "of course" making it possible for these new creations to exist as life sustaining continuances...and because of the "thrown-over" effect of the tent like coverings sustaining these places from normal detection, the area has been dubbed: "The Row of Tents"!...but is most often referred to as "Tent Row"... !

American Chieftain~Conrad M Cummings
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Within the aggregate of all things there is a remaining space where numbers run out and cease to exist, which is 1/6 of 1 percent of the aggregate. Within this highly unstable portion we find answers for that which has gone amiss.


That's the thing about missing objects. You put 'em down exactly where you can find them again and you can't!

Moved a chest of drawers yesterday and what do I find? Half the things that have gone missing in this house since time began. What is really sad is finding that vital bit from a toy I should have mended two decades ago.

On that subject - have any of you still got a box with bits of broken toys that you should have mended before they left home and got married? I have - little legs from dolls house chairs, bits of play people, broken springs from trains that will no longer "chuff" around the sitting room floor and worst of all evidence of the family curse.

You don't have one? We do. My father helped me build three quarters of a plane that never flew and I have done the same for my son. A small model aircraft engine sits on a shelf in my shed - mute evidence of an incompetant model kit assembler - me!

I have promised my son, that when they have a child, I will bring a different present - a brand new model aircraft kit! He will then have approximately ten years to try and beat the curse!


Paul
ATTENTION...

?...Oh no, has the great class with it's more than many words of wisdom been dismissed for today dearest children of many wishes...?

!However I do congratulate you for your more thoughtful and less aggressive replys!

!...Good Returns...!

...#Just being honest, ya#know, but yall are all a bit stiff necked#...

Perhaps ya might try movin yer heads a bit more from time to time...or maybe if ya took a big dump it might relieve some of the internal pressure on the common sense portion your thinker.

On the kindness of that note “Please Remember” these ancient words of wisdom and quickly place a great big smooch on my behindy!

...You have no idea how much I thank yall for your indigenous concerns...

From “more indigenous than you”, Yada, Yada and Yada!

...Actually I believe your all great souls and individuals of good character...right down to the fishy lookin pic of the little peanut blond with the big heart of many forgivenesses...

SOooo...“Like it or not, I love ya all”!...Blessings of many lifetimes and good fortune to you!

The American Chieftain~Conrad M. Cummings and Family St. Louis MO. USA mostly all darn day!
Aussie girl may I add a few lines to add to your confusion?

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"


He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.


And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!


One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.


"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

Not me I'm afraid:
Lewis Carroll - from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872.

Ah well, if you can't beat 'em join em.

Its all a sort of madhouse here any whay hey!

Paul
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...#Just being honest, ya#know, but yall are all a bit stiff necked#...

Perhaps ya might try movin yer heads a bit more from time to time...or maybe if ya took a big dump it might relieve some of the internal pressure on the common sense portion your thinker.


Camera I see your point but I do take offence to the above. Guests and/or new members visiting this forum would not be impressed reading unintellectual garbage like this Frown
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Originally posted by Mrs.M.:
I think someone posted that you should not even answer them at all as they can sometimes pick up things just from your typing.
Not true - there are viruses (viri?) around that record key strokes but you have to have the virus on your PC for that to work!

When I was on my Computer Science course in about 1980 I wrote a program that mimicked the log on 'screen' (it was on teletype but you know what I mean) and it recorded the next user's id and password into a file then logged off. I was then able to log on as them and steal their 'budget' (ie. time on the mainframe). Somehow I came top in my class! I guess this was an early example of phishing!

[_ONE OFF VIRUS CHECK_] <-- check for viruses here!

R2
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Originally posted by Mrs.M.:
You know, someone needs to tell eBay that you cannot because I recently got a warning email from them that stated you could!
I had the same one - what it says, as I remember, is that a virus is sometimes attached which will allow key-strokes to be recorded. Ergo, if your emails are filtered by AVG or equivalent then the risk is zero!

Same word in both medical and internet circles - viruses seems more acceptable in both worlds these days! Smile

R2
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Originally posted by region2:
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Originally posted by Mrs.M.:
I think someone posted that you should not even answer them at all as they can sometimes pick up things just from your typing.
Not true - there are viruses (viri?) around that record key strokes but you have to have the virus on your PC for that to work!

When I was on my Computer Science course in about 1980 I wrote a program that mimicked the log on 'screen' (it was on teletype but you know what I mean) and it recorded the next user's id and password into a file then logged off. I was then able to log on as them and steal their 'budget' (ie. time on the mainframe). Somehow I came top in my class! I guess this was an early example of phishing!

[_ONE OFF VIRUS CHECK_] <-- check for viruses here!

R2

These dreadful little beasties are known as 'Trojans' cf the siege of Troy.
They usually arrive by running a link from a website, maybe by email when users are a bit careless or think they have found a free lunch.
They sit on your computer and wait for a particular window, such as your ebay login form, and grab the keystrokes.
Less sophisticated ones just simulate a Paypal/bank/ebay form, and grab the details.

Moral?
Be aware what is on your PC - cookies, registry entries, startup programs \Program Files\, Task Manager processes, everything.
Anything you do not recognise, google it!
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Originally posted by I'd rather be shopping:
...whenever I leave a web site, I delete all cookies...
Why? Cookies serve a useful purpose so, unless you're paranoid you are wasting your time. Sounds like you're well protected (I use AVG, Ad-aware and Zone Alarm, all free!) so why bother.

Please read [_THIS_] and then make an informed decision... (for some reason this forum puts an underscore into the link so you'll need to delete that from the address to get it to work ie. http://www._c... becomes http://www.c...)

R2
R2
originally purchased an all in one security program which did not do the job properly so I sought advice from tech support service provider to determine what I need to protect puter...their suggestion, AVG, Ad-aware, Zone alarm, and Spybot. Anyway have downloaded all these and it is amazing what 1 misses the other will pick up...hope they have caught them all would hate to think I would need any more programs and spend a lot of my life running scans Eek

BTW as I am new to ad-aware do you just leave everything in quarantine or delete them as they are placed there?
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Originally posted by I'd rather be shopping:
Right on. But any messages that claim to be from ebay that I am not expecting get sent to spoof@ebay.com. I do the same for Pay Pals
spoof@paypal.com.
Also, whenever I leave a web site, I delete all cookes. Then I go to the next one.
That is in addition to my spyware and AVE. Big Grin

I only delete cookies that I do not require or do not know about. Some of the ones I have are needed.
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Originally posted by Jabbergah:
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I only delete cookies that I do not require or do not know about. Some of the ones I have are needed.
How do you determine which ones you need?

Jabber
In most cases, the filename will tell you.
For example, Mike@medmaw[1].txt I know is a Medmaw cookie that I need for clock materials.
Also, look at the dates. If in doubt, open the file in Notepad or similar.
A cookie can have anything the supplier wants to put in, but nearly always there is a URL there.
HTH

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