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Snipe twice on one item?

H highlifeMember
I missed out on an item earlier this week which I really wanted because I believed it was sniped by another bidder.

A similar item has come up again and I think this will be the last chance to get it. I've signed up for AS but want to be sure I beat any other snipes on this item.

What I am wondering is if I can set 2 snipes on the one item? The reason for 2 is that I want to set one of the snipes to go off at about 2 or 3 seconds but dont want to risk it not getting there in time - so I would also have a snipe set to go off at 5 sec?

This way if the snipe at 2 or 3 sec doesnt make it in time I still have one in at 5 sec that should have made it? Is this possible or have I got it completely wrong? I dont mind if I have to pay for 2 snipes - the item is an expensive item.
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H highlifeMember
..ok after thinking about this I think I have it wrong!

If I snipe with a max bid way above the current bid - is that effectively like placing a proxy bid on ebay?

E.G. Lets say an item is currently at $600 and the current high bidder has a proxy bid set with a max bid of $800.

If I snipe at 5sec to go and my max AS bid is set to $850 - will it simply keep bumping up the bid until its at $810 and then I win? Or will it just bump up the bid to the next increment from the current bid ($610) and then the other bidder will win at $620 because he has an ebay proxy bid with a max bid higher than that?
S snipersarabAuctionSniper Support
Yes, you would win for $810.

However the cool thing is you'd also win for $800.01 if that was your maximum. Basically the last person to make a big bid gets to win for less than an increment. So in that reguards it's always good to snipe, and to put in your maximum.

On small priced items that rarely happens. But I bet on bigger items it happens a lot where you win for less than a bid increment.

Good luck!
S steveExpertSniper
Remember that AS submits one bid on your behalf, and one only. It's eBay that establishes a proxy reserve and "bumps up" the high bid as other bids are made. That's why, as Sara says, it's best to bid your max. There won't be many other bids made after yours, if any, since your snipe comes in at the very end of the auction. It's an interesting point Sara raises about winning by less than one increment, and I think she's right on the money with that one. Big Grin
M mikeinlondonMember
I've just joined this sniping thing and to my surprise AS put in 2 bids for me for the same amount - and I still won but I don't understand why AS bid twice. Could it be because I changed the lead time from my first choice - so I modified it.

Odd. Doesn't make sense to me. I've still got my third free snipe, but eBay definitely shows 2 bids from me.
rickrickMember
Mike,

I don't see how AS could do this. ebay doesn't let anyone enter the same bid amount on the same auction. Even if they are high bidder and over the next increment, they have to bid at least $.01 more.

You must be seeing this on ebay's bid history? Are the bid times the same?

It seems like AS support said that snipes were placed from multiple servers to insure that at least one got in. Maybe both hit ebay at the same nano-second and ebay didn't have time to stop the extra one? This is just a guess. My guessing hasn't been very good today, so you may have to wait for info from AS support.

What ever the reason, it's something new.

And I'm pretty sure AS doesn't let you place multiple snipes (I THINK).
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S snipersarabAuctionSniper Support
Weird.

We snipe from multiple locations for every snipe for redundancy. So all your snipes are sniped 2-4 times. This ensures internet problems or eBay slowness on one server wont result in a missed snipe because most likely one of the internet back bones or eBay servers we connect to from the various snipes coming in will be fine.

This among many of our other tricks is what results in our sniping being the most reliable available, and why sniping manually or via software on your own computer can not come close to what we achieve.

Perhaps eBay is buggy and sometimes accepts both bids, even though they are for the same amount. Strange. It seems to only happen with both get to eBay at exactly the same time.
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W warriornunMember
Even if the duplicate bids are harmless, it would be nice to know why it is happening. Especially if there is a glitch in somebody's system that could adversely affect the way that AS inputs all our snipes. Hopefully the AS tech-heads are checking this out before something bad does happen.

WarriorNun (with her fingers crossed that nothing bad happens!)

"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning"
rickrickMember
Since AS has been placing redundant bids for a long time, I would assume that something has recently happened on ebay's end that prevents ebay from knowing about this. Maybe it's the amount of activity.

Also, I noticed that the "description" searches are near real time. It use to be that the description search was behind the title search by several hours. But, ebay seems to be indexing new auctions as they are entered, instead of doing them in a batch.
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rickrickMember
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Originally posted by Steve:
Let's just hope that, if and when they notice it, they don't prohibit submission of redundant bids by software sites.


I doubt that would ever happen. Would take extra ebay processing time and resources at a very critical time in the aucton (when it closes).

Also, this has to be more then the same "seconds" bid. It must be the same fractional "seconds" bid.

It sure makes it obvious that this isn't a manual snipe, and if it ever happens with 2 different bidders (manual or automated), the seller had better have 2 of them.
rickrickMember
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Originally posted by Rick:
and if it ever happens with 2 different bidders (manual or automated), the seller had better have 2 of them.


I'm going to disagree with myself.

I guess the bidder that's listed highest in the bid history would be the winner, and the matching bidder, if they use AS, will be letting us know about it.
S steveExpertSniper
Bartelby, that bid history isn't the same as the ones we've been discussing. Many proxy bidders "fortify" their bids by incrementing their proxy amount so that the bid history shows multiple bids in the "same" amount by the winner if nobody tried to outbid them. On the other hand, the redundant bids we've been discussing are submitted as snipes by AS at the exact same time in the exact same amount, even though the AS snipers involved set up only one bid. Confused

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