Don't ya just love that cartoon? I used it because I'm not exactly a skinnie-Minnie and my last name starts with Thor. My husband's name is of Norwegian/Viking/Danish heritage, so if that doesn't make me a Valkuryie (sp?), then I don't know what does!
Hark! I am on to Valhalla!!! Move aside, peasant, lest I strike you with a bolt of lightning! (giggling...)
Nancy,quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
My leg has already cost the insurance company $500,000. I may actually get up to the $1,000,000 cap per year after this is all over. If that happens, we're cooked.
The good news: it is definitely in your doctors’ best financial interests to keep you alive.
The bad news: it is definitely NOT in your doctors’ best financial interests to cure you.
Sure wish there was a better incentive program for doctors.
If my understanding of history is correct, there is, or was, a fair amount of bad blood between Vikings and Brits.
quote:a fair amount of bad blood between Vikings and Brits
Your right about that one Rick, our countryside is littered with towns with damn Danish names!
Some Examples
They ruled half the country at one time - The Danelaw
However the good news was that they eventually became English!
Their (note that odd word!) language lives on!
"the mixed language of the Danelaw caused the incorporation of many Norse words into the English language, including the word law itself, as well as the third person plural pronouns they, them and their."
Paul
Well, hey, the Vikings weren't exactly friends with ANYONE, were they? Fortunately, our part of the family tree has been "watered down" so much only the name exists.
I'm half Hungarian, one-quarter each, Dutch and German. My husband also has Italian, English ,German, French,and Danish blood in him. Typical American ancestors.
My boys are regular "mongrels." Not sure about that spelling. I mean like a couple of "mixed" but unknown breeds of dogs.
My maiden name is De Blaey, or the Americanized version of De Blaaij. At least I can trace my ancentors back to 1600's Holland. What did I find? LOL...I'm descended from a long line of peasant farmers. No royalty or even a coat-of-arms. And that's the Dutch side. My Hungarian side was even worse. POOR peasant farmers subsisting on a diet of onions, garlic, cabbage, and an occasional chicken! But OH, did they have the paprika! LOL!
What about you?
I'm half Hungarian, one-quarter each, Dutch and German. My husband also has Italian, English ,German, French,and Danish blood in him. Typical American ancestors.
My boys are regular "mongrels." Not sure about that spelling. I mean like a couple of "mixed" but unknown breeds of dogs.
My maiden name is De Blaey, or the Americanized version of De Blaaij. At least I can trace my ancentors back to 1600's Holland. What did I find? LOL...I'm descended from a long line of peasant farmers. No royalty or even a coat-of-arms. And that's the Dutch side. My Hungarian side was even worse. POOR peasant farmers subsisting on a diet of onions, garlic, cabbage, and an occasional chicken! But OH, did they have the paprika! LOL!
What about you?
FOLLOWING ALICE DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE
I may have left out one or two minor details.
I thought the Vikings became Normans, then William came over and helped the Brits with their English, then the Brits, with the help of us Yanks, returned the favor on D-Day.quote:Originally posted by Camera:
However the good news was that they eventually became English!
I may have left out one or two minor details.
WELLLLLLLLLLL!!!! What I want to know is why we are aren't speaking French! William being Norman, and all. Right?
Chaucer spoke "Middle English," right? So what did EARLY English sound like? Any examples?
Chaucer spoke "Middle English," right? So what did EARLY English sound like? Any examples?
venison versus deer/Bambi; mutton versus sheep; beef versus cow; French fries (I already know) versus deep fried sliced potatoes; poultry versus dead bird; bacon/ham/pork versus pig; escargot versus snails; Grey Poupon versus mustard; veal versus calf; pastries versus scones; sex versus whatever they do in England.
LOL! 
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
WELLLLLLLLLLL!!!! What I want to know is why we are aren't speaking French! William being Norman, and all. Right?
Bonjour Nancy
Quite a significant proportion of the English language is French-derived. There we go - language.
We also commonly use phrases like bonne mot, plus ca change, RSVP (repondez, s'il vous plait), mot juste, en route and many others.
By recompense, they have pinched Parking, Camping, Weekend.
A bientot
OooooOOOOOOoohhhh! <---- That's "Nancy" language. Thanks! (Cap letters indicate rise in pitch of voice and signifies fascination with your answer. LOL!)
quote:Originally posted by Smart:
Rick's examples are interesting too. Do you notice how the words for the animals themselves (reared by the English peasants) are indigenous, whereas the words for their meats (eaten by the Norman conquerers) are of French origin (eg. boeuf, porc, mouton).
No, I did not notice that. Probably because I never took a French course in school.
Actually, I just supposed there were common Latin roots to both words.
You deserve another, "OoooOOOOOooooohhh!!!"
Today I go to hospital (notice how I left out "the" hospital.) to provide my latest doctors with a sample of my bone marrow. They promised they will put me "out." It's a rather painful procedure. I'll try to get back later.
Nancy
Nancy,quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
They promised they will put me "out."
Was it as good for you as it was for your doctor??????????????????????
Rickkkkkkk!!!!! Very funny! 
Actually, for something that was supposed to be done under heavy sedation, I wasn't very sedated. I talked through the whole procedure like a chatterbox. I guess the point of what is termed "conscious sedation" is that you're not supposed to be able to remember the pain.
What a crock! I remember every bit of it! It really hurt when he got the needle into the bone and sucked up the marrow. Owwwwwww!!!!!!!
But just like that, it was over and I don't even have a sore area at the puncture site.
Now I have to tryand enjoy the weekend knowing that next week I will be getting a phone call with some results. I asked the nurses to call me with any thing prior to the appointment with the doctor on Thursday.
That way I can get over either my hysteria or elation and be able to ask meaningful questions when I see him. I know that if it's bad news, and I first heard it in his office, I'd never be able to absorb the facts. My mind would be racing. Does that make sense? My sentences are awkward at times. Never paid attention in school to all those rules regarding grammer.
Oh, dear. That was a mistake. I can ALREADY hear the Brits thinking: "Yanks never spoke English properly in the first place."
Well, tough! Pfthzzzzzzzz......!
(Just joking of course.)
It's hard not telling my parents that I'm going through this. But I need to be sure of the diagnosis before I tell them. We're a very close family and bad news will be especially hard on them.
But......that's life! Bad things happen to good people all the time for absolutely no reason. We are bound by the laws of physics and if some gene is switched on and makes cells go haywire, it's no one's fault, or punishment from God or any thing else.
S--- happens!
Nance
Actually, for something that was supposed to be done under heavy sedation, I wasn't very sedated. I talked through the whole procedure like a chatterbox. I guess the point of what is termed "conscious sedation" is that you're not supposed to be able to remember the pain.
What a crock! I remember every bit of it! It really hurt when he got the needle into the bone and sucked up the marrow. Owwwwwww!!!!!!!
But just like that, it was over and I don't even have a sore area at the puncture site.
Now I have to tryand enjoy the weekend knowing that next week I will be getting a phone call with some results. I asked the nurses to call me with any thing prior to the appointment with the doctor on Thursday.
That way I can get over either my hysteria or elation and be able to ask meaningful questions when I see him. I know that if it's bad news, and I first heard it in his office, I'd never be able to absorb the facts. My mind would be racing. Does that make sense? My sentences are awkward at times. Never paid attention in school to all those rules regarding grammer.
Oh, dear. That was a mistake. I can ALREADY hear the Brits thinking: "Yanks never spoke English properly in the first place."
Well, tough! Pfthzzzzzzzz......!
(Just joking of course.)It's hard not telling my parents that I'm going through this. But I need to be sure of the diagnosis before I tell them. We're a very close family and bad news will be especially hard on them.
But......that's life! Bad things happen to good people all the time for absolutely no reason. We are bound by the laws of physics and if some gene is switched on and makes cells go haywire, it's no one's fault, or punishment from God or any thing else.
S--- happens!
Nance
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
Oh, dear. That was a mistake. I can ALREADY hear the Brits thinking: "Yanks never spoke English properly in the first place."
Nance
I don't think that, Nance. I, and many other Brits, just regard it as another different dialect.
Out schools ceased to teach English spellong or grammar about 20-30 years ago, so many of this generation cannot read or write it properly, if they have no sort of national pride to do anything about this, which many do not.
That aside, even in our tiny crowded group of islands, there are many different accents and dialects, some unintelligible to others.
As I migrated from the West Country to Yorkshire 30 years age, there are still some things that have to be explained to me, and others that locals cannot explain!
Good luck with the results.....
[Q]Out schools ceased to teach English spellong or grammar[/Q]
YES! I noticed that I has misspelled "grammar" the minute I sent that last post.
What do you mean your schools have ceased to teach English spellong? That's as ridiculous as making Ebonics a standard form of English that should be taught in American school too!
It's interesting how languages evolve. I love the sound of Middle English, but the meaning of many of the words elude me.
Which brings me back to my question: What did "Early English" sound like? Or did they just grunt at each other during the week and then listen to Latin on Sundays? No wonder the cathedrals of Europe have gargoyles and grotesques. Maybe the people back then actually looked like that! LOL!
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.
YES! I noticed that I has misspelled "grammar" the minute I sent that last post.
What do you mean your schools have ceased to teach English spellong? That's as ridiculous as making Ebonics a standard form of English that should be taught in American school too!
It's interesting how languages evolve. I love the sound of Middle English, but the meaning of many of the words elude me.
Which brings me back to my question: What did "Early English" sound like? Or did they just grunt at each other during the week and then listen to Latin on Sundays? No wonder the cathedrals of Europe have gargoyles and grotesques. Maybe the people back then actually looked like that! LOL!
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:quote:Out schools ceased to teach English spellong or grammar
YES! I noticed that I has misspelled "grammar" the minute I sent that last post.
I have a warped sense of humour, Nance.
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What do you mean your schools have ceased to teach English spellong? That's as ridiculous as making Ebonics a standard form of English that should be taught in American school too!
I had to google for Ebonics - didn't know that was what it was called!
I agree - it is ridiculous. Occasionally, the gubmint ostensibly wake up and bleat about having to do something about it, but it has not happened, yet. Employers despair about prospective employees being illiterate, through no fault of their own. However, when these folks get past teenage years and their hormones are sorted
, one would think that they would get off their a***s and do something about it!quote:
It's interesting how languages evolve. I love the sound of Middle English, but the meaning of many of the words elude me.
Which brings me back to my question: What did "Early English" sound like? Or did they just grunt at each other during the week and then listen to Latin on Sundays? No wonder the cathedrals of Europe have gargoyles and grotesques. Maybe the people back then actually looked like that! LOL!
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.
There are still a few gargoyles alive and well!
Some of the old illuminated texts are probably Middle English, but I find the actual letters difficult to read. Some of the old accounts in my clock books from. say, 1400 forward, have strange words in them. "viij shillings to take up the peys and the plummys" Eight shillings to wind up the weights!
the old accounts in my clock books from. say, 1400 forward, have strange words in them. "viij shillings to take up the peys and the plummys" Eight shillings to wind up the weights!
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I think I could have figured that one out. Just looking at it, "plummys" immediately struck me as similar to "plumb" or "plumb bob" which of course, is a weight on the end of a line.
And, I looked at "viij," which looks Dutch and thought perhaps it was pronounced "vay". That rhymes with eigh-t. And then "to take up," well, that's obvious. Maybe there was no word for "wind" back then.
But I did get the general idea of the sentence! Not bad for a Yank, don't you think?
Got any more? Do you collect clocks? I collect Roman coins and arifacts that I can afford, and all kinds of other things.
Made a call to the Bone Marrow and Transplant Clinic where I had my biopsy done. Got an answering machine. Why does that not surprise me? They'll probably call in about another 5 hours like last time. As I write, it is almost 11:30 AM. (biting fingernails)
Shipwreck
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I think I could have figured that one out. Just looking at it, "plummys" immediately struck me as similar to "plumb" or "plumb bob" which of course, is a weight on the end of a line.
And, I looked at "viij," which looks Dutch and thought perhaps it was pronounced "vay". That rhymes with eigh-t. And then "to take up," well, that's obvious. Maybe there was no word for "wind" back then.
But I did get the general idea of the sentence! Not bad for a Yank, don't you think?
Got any more? Do you collect clocks? I collect Roman coins and arifacts that I can afford, and all kinds of other things.
Made a call to the Bone Marrow and Transplant Clinic where I had my biopsy done. Got an answering machine. Why does that not surprise me?
They'll probably call in about another 5 hours like last time. As I write, it is almost 11:30 AM. (biting fingernails)Shipwreck
Not only did the Battle of Hastings help the (Old) Englanders develop a richer language, but it probably helped in cutting down on the monarchal inbreeding. Seems like I studied that in school.quote:Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:
Quite a significant proportion of the English language is French-derived.
American/British:
Rubber / Condom
Eraser / Rubber
Plural: rubbers - soft, low cut, rubber overshoes to protect good leather shoes from rain & snow.
So what are they called in the UK?
(Are we getting goofy, or what?) LOL!
So what are they called in the UK?
(Are we getting goofy, or what?) LOL!
"Getting"?quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
(Are we getting goofy, or what?)
quote:Plural: rubbers - soft, low cut, rubber overshoes to protect good leather shoes from rain & snow.
So what are they called in the UK?
Overshoes!
Paul
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
Plural: rubbers - soft, low cut, rubber overshoes to protect good leather shoes from rain & snow.
So what are they called in the UK?
(Are we getting goofy, or what?) LOL!
(1) Galoshes, Nancy. Like this
(2) What, probably.
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
the old accounts in my clock books from. say, 1400 forward, have strange words in them. "viij shillings to take up the peys and the plummys" Eight shillings to wind up the weights!
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I think I could have figured that one out. Just looking at it, "plummys" immediately struck me as similar to "plumb" or "plumb bob" which of course, is a weight on the end of a line.
I am sure that is where the word came from - I often wonder if they spoke these words as well, just the same?
quote:
And, I looked at "viij," which looks Dutch and thought perhaps it was pronounced "vay". That rhymes with eigh-t.
Although "ij" is a Dutch thing, and is pronounced like a "y" or "i" - as in Rijn (Rhine, the river that ends up in the North Sea), the viij is actually a Roman 8 - VIII. I think the "j" was just a flourish.
quote:
And then "to take up," well, that's obvious. Maybe there was no word for "wind" back then.
But I did get the general idea of the sentence! Not bad for a Yank, don't you think?
Agreed, Nancy!
quote:
Got any more? Do you collect clocks? I collect Roman coins and arifacts that I can afford, and all kinds of other things.
I collect clocks, but don't really have a collection! What is he saying? OK - I have been interested in making and restoring clocks for about 40+ years now, but all the clocks in the house have to actually work and be useful; if not, or I tire of them, they are sold.
The oldest one we have dates from ca 1720:
It is still doing the same job, and just as well, as it did when new nearly three centuries ago. This is the last time I had to service it:
As a contrast, here is one I made about 10 years ago:
quote:
Made a call to the Bone Marrow and Transplant Clinic where I had my biopsy done. Got an answering machine. Why does that not surprise me?
Shipwreck
We are waiting! Good luck!
quote:Galoshes, Nancy. Like this
I had heard the term Mike, but never had registered what it meant.
Interesting.
I have inherited two old (19th century) clocks, but after many years they became unreliable and I stopped winding them up.
The trouble is that there are no competant clock repairers in the area that I know of. A lost art? I just heard horror stories of "bodging" & overcharging. In the end I found a chap on the far side of the country (Leicester) who advertised old clocks on eBay and seemed to have a good reputation.
However, four months down the line, one is still not ready!
Paul
Paul
LOL! Good point, old chap! Good point. Most astute!
Nancy
Nancy
quote:Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
Plural: rubbers - soft, low cut, rubber overshoes to protect good leather shoes from rain & snow.
So what are they called in the UK?
(Are we getting goofy, or what?) LOL!
(1) Galoshes, Nancy. Like this
(2) What, probably.
Ohhhh.... I always thought the work "galoshes" was Eastern European. My Hungarian grandmother used to say things like (think with a thick accent, now):
"Achhhhh.....Don't you go out vitout pootink on babushka and galoshes. You catch cold! And vhere is jacket? Should know better!"
Although "ij" is a Dutch thing, and is pronounced like a "y" or "i" - as in Rijn (Rhine, the river that ends up in the North Sea), the viij is actually a Roman 8 - VIII. I think the "j" was just a flourish.
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How about that? I learned something new today! Cool.
I have an old mantle clock bought in Germany in 1965. Stopped working and it costs a small fortune to get it repaired now. Too bad you live "over there." LOL!
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How about that? I learned something new today! Cool.
I have an old mantle clock bought in Germany in 1965. Stopped working and it costs a small fortune to get it repaired now. Too bad you live "over there." LOL!
We are waiting! Good luck!
Good news: No cancer cells in bone marrow, although that was an unofficial announcement from the neurologist and not the oncologist.
Bad news: Neuro thinks I need back surgery to relieve pinching of my sciatic nerve. If I don't have that, he says, rehab after I get my new hip will be compromised.
How many surgeries, do you suppose, a person can go through???? Geez, I'll be laid up for MONTHS! Not to mention Oncology will want to monitor my "monoclonal gammopathy."
My dentist asked me today if I went any where for vacation this year. HA! My answer is my standard: I go to hospitals.
When other people take out vacation photos, I take out a book of my X-rays! LOL!
Hey, how do I include some of those in these posts?
Nancy
Good news: No cancer cells in bone marrow, although that was an unofficial announcement from the neurologist and not the oncologist.
Bad news: Neuro thinks I need back surgery to relieve pinching of my sciatic nerve. If I don't have that, he says, rehab after I get my new hip will be compromised.
How many surgeries, do you suppose, a person can go through???? Geez, I'll be laid up for MONTHS! Not to mention Oncology will want to monitor my "monoclonal gammopathy."
My dentist asked me today if I went any where for vacation this year. HA! My answer is my standard: I go to hospitals.
When other people take out vacation photos, I take out a book of my X-rays! LOL!
Hey, how do I include some of those in these posts?
Nancy
quote:Originally posted by Camera:quote:Galoshes, Nancy. Like this
I had heard the term Mike, but never had registered what it meant.
Interesting.
I have inherited two old (19th century) clocks, but after many years they became unreliable and I stopped winding them up.
Paul
Most clocks of this age only need a service - dismantle, clean, reassemble and oil. Depending on what sort they are, a days' work.
Newer (20th c) clocks usually wear more - many of those in the 1970s on are totally knackered after 10 years!
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The trouble is that there are no competant clock repairers in the area that I know of. A lost art? I just heard horror stories of "bodging" & overcharging.
Sadly, true. There are probably only a few dozen "real" clockmakers iin the UK. I exclude myself as I have never repaired clocks professionally. Messrs Bodgit and Scarper often belong to august bodies like the NAWCC and BHI, so there is no guarantee at all that membership will get you a proper job. In the 1700s, anyone who did not belong to the Clockmakers' Company would get no work at all, and if they did not do a proper job, their feet would not touch the ground!
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In the end I found a chap on the far side of the country (Leicester) who advertised old clocks on eBay and seemed to have a good reputation.
However, four months down the line, one is still not ready!
Hmmm.....what sort of clocks are they, and what is the reason for the delay? If the word "parts" is mentioned, grab the clocks and run.
You could have dropped them off here - about the same distance? I could probably have sorted them in a few weeks.
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
Although "ij" is a Dutch thing, and is pronounced like a "y" or "i" - as in Rijn (Rhine, the river that ends up in the North Sea), the viij is actually a Roman 8 - VIII. I think the "j" was just a flourish.
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How about that? I learned something new today! Cool.
I have an old mantle clock bought in Germany in 1965. Stopped working and it costs a small fortune to get it repaired now. Too bad you live "over there." LOL!
Nancy
Most newer clocks like this wear quite a lot. There are many more clock repairers in the USA, though. They do have a habit of swapping movements, though, which I object to. However, if a clock needs $500 labour spending on it, and a movement is $200, I suppose that this has to be so.
It is probably either a Kieninger, Urgos or Hermle.
It may be worth registering on here to get an idea if there are any forum members near you who can help.
Mark Butterworth is the expert on these sorts of clocks. It's mantel by the way, as in "mantelpiece". A mantle you either set light to or chuck it over your shoulder.
All my mantles you set light to (I have a small collection of pressure lanterns and stoves).
Good that your results have arrived, even though there is a bit more work to do, the uncertainty has gone.
I have had two knackered discs for about 30 years now, but the good news is that as you get older the discs get harder, and give less trouble by touching bits of spinal cord (I call it my wiring loom).
Two Tramadols every day for life mean that I can crawl under cars and lift heavy radios with no pain.
Interesting you should mention Tramadol. I've tried them and they do not seem to do a thing for me. My sister-in-law, on the other hand, absolutely swears by them. She says they work on muscle pain, not bone pain.
Would you believe, as a former nurse, I've never bothered to look them up? The more syndroms, fractures, or illnesses I get (and maybe the OLDER I get), the less interested I am in all the details of what I take. Shame on me. I know.
Would you believe, as a former nurse, I've never bothered to look them up? The more syndroms, fractures, or illnesses I get (and maybe the OLDER I get), the less interested I am in all the details of what I take. Shame on me. I know.
I always suspected you of favoring bigger government.quote:Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:
Occasionally, the gubmint ostensibly wake up and bleat about having to do something about it, but it has not happened, yet. Employers despair about prospective employees being illiterate, through no fault of their own.
quote:Originally posted by caneartist:
Interesting you should mention Tramadol. I've tried them and they do not seem to do a thing for me. My sister-in-law, on the other hand, absolutely swears by them. She says they work on muscle pain, not bone pain.
Would you believe, as a former nurse, I've never bothered to look them up? The more syndroms, fractures, or illnesses I get (and maybe the OLDER I get), the less interested I am in all the details of what I take. Shame on me. I know.
Hmmm - dunno. On the packet it says that they prevent the pain messages getting to the brain, or something.
quote:Originally posted by Rick:I always suspected you of favoring bigger government.quote:Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:
Occasionally, the gubmint ostensibly wake up and bleat about having to do something about it, but it has not happened, yet. Employers despair about prospective employees being illiterate, through no fault of their own.
I would just like one that actually did what it promised in its manifesto, Rick.
I fear it will never happen, though. Now they tell us that they have no idea where so-called asylum seekers are that have escaped from prison in their native lands, and have committed murder, rape and the like. They are just free to wander around our country, and no-one knows who they are or how many there are in total.
Always thought it was a mistake when England gave asylum to the Loyalist after the American Revolution, especially considering that Benedict Arnold was unlikely to qualify for New York unemployment benefits.quote:Originally posted by Mike from West Yorkshire:
Now they tell us that they have no idea where so-called asylum seekers are that have escaped from prison in their native lands, and have committed murder, rape and the like.
“Asylum” is an interesting word. Seeking asylum is considered good, whereas being committed into an asylum is considered bad. In the first situation the individual thinks other people are crazy, and in the second situation other people think the individual is crazy. Please – no medication jokes.
“Asylum” is an interesting word. Seeking asylum is considered good, whereas being committed into an asylum is considered bad. In the first situation the individual thinks other people are crazy, and in the second situation other people think the individual is crazy. Please – no medication jokes.
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LOL! Ohhhhhhh, the urge to mention something about Thorazine or Lithium is just killing me!!!! But I won't ask you a thing about your medications. After all, everybody is something at some point in their lives. Just because you've been forgetting your Haldol lately...................OOPS!!!
Sorry.
But I agree, asylum IS an intesting word. I've been locked up now for 9 years!
Nancy the nut case
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LOL! Ohhhhhhh, the urge to mention something about Thorazine or Lithium is just killing me!!!! But I won't ask you a thing about your medications. After all, everybody is something at some point in their lives. Just because you've been forgetting your Haldol lately...................OOPS!!!
Sorry.
But I agree, asylum IS an intesting word. I've been locked up now for 9 years!
Nancy the nut case
quote:Originally posted by Rick:
“Asylum” is an interesting word. Seeking asylum is considered good, whereas being committed into an asylum is considered bad. In the first situation the individual thinks other people are crazy, and in the second situation other people think the individual is crazy. Please – no medication jokes.
It may solve some problems if they combined the two!
