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I hate the expression Misery Loves Company - but there is definately healing in finding you were not the only one...Too many people blame it on the depression. My father was an outstanding provider but just couldn't pass, wouldn't pass, or want to pass anything down. To me that's consumate failure as a parent. Actually I am lying, he taught me to swear like knowone on the face of mother earth. Thanks DAD.

I"m baking some Virginia Ham with Scalloped
Potatoes & French Bread - does my kitchen smell good..
Mrs M - Feel free to pass it on. (You must be a good friend to someone in need!)

Mory - Let's all eat dinner at your house!

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but there is definitely healing in finding you were not the only one


It's funny. when I was growing up, I thought everyone in the country EXCEPT my family lived like Leave It to Beaver, or Father Knows Best, or Donna Reed, or Ozzie and Harriet. I felt like I had a bad secret to keep - a life I couldn't let anyone in on or into. I know now that the feeling of 'other'ness, of secret-keeping, can be very binding and destructive. I also know now that others weren't as ideal, nor we as unusual, as my young self imagined. The truth is very liberating.
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kids today have a bounty of opportunity if the parents can perceive and foster it.


True! Good for them! They have options we never dreamed of -especially the girls.

At the same time, many of them have lost the virtue of being needed. The biggest esteem booster I know of is doing a good job at something that makes real contribution. Kids who can help in the family business (or run their own!), mind younger siblings, help keep house, fix things that need fixing, help the needy -- those are even more important, in my book, and in danger of being lost in a consumer-oriented culture.

But, I am a big believer in travel and even healthy competition for kids, I think it can enlarge their world and their minds and their personal capital.

I never let my kids travel without me when they are young, but starting about 13 or 14, I have them travel to tournaments (speech and debate) with other adults whom I know and trust. I like them to make a week-long camping trip at the end of 6th grade (supervised) and an East Coast tour at the end of 8th grade (chaperoned), and a Europe tour in 12th grade (also chaperoned). Then, the summer after high school graduation, my kids have taken a trip by themselves, usually to see other relatives or things of interest. These are like 'coming of age' milestones to us, almost ceremonial.

We also like to write birthday letters, acknowledging and appreciating the growth we've seen and offering advice and encouragement. Shortly before they graduate from high school, we write out and present to our kids a "blessing" for their adult lives. I don't know for sure how much it means to them, but it helps us recognize that they aren't our babies anymore. We have excellent relationships with our grown kids, so I think some of our efforts have borne good fruit.
They say a lady should never tell! I am 49, born in 1954. Headed for a big birthday this year!

Yes, Hazel and Make Room for Daddy were great! I think I also remember Hazel Burke in a film with Gregory Peck, Come Back, Little Sheba or something like that.

When I was very young, I watched the westerns - Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, The Lone Ranger, Annie Oakley -- all that. Adam West had a western long before he was Batman, which I watched every day wearing my little fringed cowgirl suit with holster and guns. (Before your time, I expect.) I even had a crush on Glenn Ford when other little girls admired Troy Donohue.

Then I became enamoured by cheesy sci fi. the George Reeve Superman serial was a "can't miss". Boy, those eye glasses were sure a clever disguise!

And all those people and insects mutated by radioactive fall-out! Oh, my!

OK, I may be just enough older than you for you to have missed these. How about The Day the Earth Stood Still? I remember being so scared by that movie when I was younger! Of course, there is Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Did you ever see Lost Weekend with Ray Milland, or Bad Seed?

Then came Star Trek. That chewed up hours of my life!

I read a LOT, too - all the books I could carry from the library every week. I don't know how I ever got any actual work done!

My little sisters were into Frankenstein and Dracula movies - never cared for scary movies myself.

For my dad, it was Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Gilligan's Island! (Honestly - Hooterville?)

For music, show tunes and Italian singers (Connie Francis, etc.) I played in an orchestra, so had a taste for classical, but it was country and early rock at my house.

Eventually, I left home and became a Southern California hippie child in the early 70's. (I could relate to your nude beach thing.) Went a little wild and crazy.

But I'm normal now.
Smile I've been lamenting my inability to visit 'the beach' lately ... the sun has only been out on days I'm working Smile

My mother thought the TV was the ultimate babysitter, so I remember a lot of shows I shouldn't!
  • Perry Mason (not re-runs)
  • Queen For A Day
  • All the afore-mentioned family sit-coms.
  • Show of Shows
  • Sing Along with Mitch
  • Daktari
  • Kathryn Kuhlman
  • that talk show where everything was pink
  • Sea Hunt
  • Art Linkletter's House Party

    Then there were the wacky 60's shows everyone loved ....
  • Batman
  • Gilligan's Island
  • Green Hornet
  • Man from U.N.C.L.E.
  • Green Acres
  • Hee-Haw (not a fav of mine!)
  • Honey West (I'm sad ... I have a honey west doll!)
  • Dark Shadows (I saw every episode)
  • Laugh-In
  • Dick Clark's American Bandstand
  • Paul Revere & The Raiders tv show
  • Here Come the Monkeys tv show

    I also enjoyed Steve Allen, Dick Cavet and the Huntley & Brinkley news.

    My father stored, repaired and shipped motion picture film for a living, so I didn't see many movies growing up (we had our own projector - but only used it during birthday parties). I missed out on a lot of the good stuff on screen Frown Most of the movies I saw were on the cheesy late night tv - they played most of the frankenstein/wolfman/... movies. I was fond of Vincent Price.

    Carol Burnett, Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney and Ed Sullivan were my favorite 'variety'/'music' shows (ok, I'll admit to seeing the Nat King Cole show and Rosemary in re-runs on PBS).

    I still say Eartha Kitt was the best cat-woman. Julie Newmar is good ... but doesn't hold a candle to Eartha! If you want a good kick-in-the-pants movie watch, 'Seven Brides For Seven Brothers' ... Julie is like Dick Clark - she doesn't age!

    Shirley Booth was in Come Back Little Sheeba - which was my mother's favorite movie. It's a little dark for me, but has so much emotional impact it's worth viewing more than once.

    littlebit ... did you ever see 'High School Confidential'???

    I wasn't a hippie (or beatnik) ... that's why I'm not normal now! Smile
  • OMG ... I can't believe I forgot
  • Frankie & Annette movies
  • The Mickey Mouse Club
  • Lassie
  • Lost In Space
  • Gunsmoke
  • Wagon train
  • The Red Skelton Show
  • The Dean Martin Show
  • The Real McCoy's
  • Concentration
  • Let's Make A Deal
  • What's My Line
  • I've Got A Secret
  • Rawhide (movin movin movin, keep them doggies movin ...)
  • Time Tunnel
  • Land of the Giants
  • The Invaders
  • Flipper
  • The Twilight Zone
  • The Alfred Hitchcock Hour
  • Patty Duke
  • The Andy Griffith Show
  • Car 54 Where Are You
  • The Munsters
  • The Adaams Family
  • Dr. Kildaire
  • Beanie and Cecil
    and ..... ta-da ...
  • GUMBY!!!!
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    BJ, I'll be 46 this year (ugggg, feel like I'm 86!) I remember most of those shows you mentioned. I also loved Hazel! And many of the others, but we weren't allowed to watch alot of tv until the late 60's / 70's.
    Heh, "The Bad Seed" is my neice!!! (You can ask the whole family!) Anyone out there who watched One Life to Live will know the little girl who's name is Star, she is just like my neice. One of the characters even asked her if she'd seen the bad seed movie!! I laughed out loud!
    Mory,I know exactlywhat you mean. I got a wireless mouse and that is sooooo much better. Plus, I taped a piece of heavy paper over the touch pad because it won't let me disconnect it. HA! thought it had outsmarted me!!
    I hit that button that makes the whole message dissapear too, not sure what it is yet.Also I hit some darn thing that moves the curser to the beginning of the message. So irritating!! I'll have to ask computer son whenever he gets back. It seems like it happens when I go for the backspace or enter button.
    BJ I have a new IBM Think Pad it should be called back to school Pad. What I was most shocked about is the zero info that comes with it. It's manuals - everything is built into the machine or there are help numbers if you can find them. I can finally use it but it took 3 months and 5 hrs of Tech Help to explain it and I have just scratched the service. The tech help raves about it and I find it most unfriendly compared to the Compac Desktop I am now using,
    My goal is two weeks, more then one of them is getting the boot. mory
    That wedding dresss auction finally closed - they guy got serious bids over three thousand - now he needs it to be on TV as a guest shot.

    Got my car fixed now I'm working on buying a new water filtration system for summer water. Have to stop drinking bottled water that has no minerals - just need the lead and impurities out not the minerals. Looked at over 10 systems. Aquasana, Amway & Sears were rated high' Going to check the Sears today. There more expensive but the filters you change all the time are cheaper. Any experts on water filtering?
    Yes Littlebit the Seagul is one I have been reading about - They are shown as producing water at 7 cents. Amway is 9 cents a gal. Sears is 9 cts. Each co seems better at something different. One removes less Chlorine the other no lead or some other obscure mineral like THM's COC's or Lindane or Alachor.
    I bought the SEARS kitchen portable for the kitchen until I can research further on two bigger whole house units. Found a site today comparing 10 top sellers but that doesn't mean they are the best just that they advertise better. I was really a lousy shopper before i got my computer.
    I was saved today by AS - something I wanted and bid on went crazy last night and sold way beyond its value. I set my limit and went to bed. I lost it but won as didn't pay $600 more than it was worth. If I had been there I would have won as am a very emotional bidder. But would have lost in the total.
    I have found the Water Filter companies are also selling on the internet direct undercutting their own store prices.
    That sounds like soo much fun Mory.

    I think, when you come to Australia, you should come and live at my place rent free - all you have to do is cook Smile I will clean up the mess, you just cook to your hearts content.

    Fresh Produce in general, is very cheap here. We are in the heart of the Producing country.

    We have Citrus, Stone Fruit, Tomatoes, Watermelons, Crops and Dairy all in the same area. Most farmers have a little shop where you can buy direct from them at half the supermarket price.

    Once a month we have a "Produce Market", were you can buy everything from Olive Oil to Pumpkins and Cheese off the back of Farmers Trucks.
    You are an exceptional person Mory. It is sad, but now days there's not very many people that would do all the kind and generous things you have done. I hope they realize how lucky they are to have you as their friend. By the way, if you're in the market for a family, I'm adoptable. I'll even cook now and then, what kind of TV dinner do you like?
    I"m back from Walmart decided on 10 Phone cards. Now I don't have anything else to carry. Puppy can I borrow your fan tonight - I'm ready for a bath - hope I wake up in the morning.
    I love the farm markets I go every summer - we have Hutterites & Menonites and they bake a lot and make cheese and Maple sytrup & Candy. I also buy cases of canned goods in the fall and pickles and Picklelilly. They make Peach & Chockecherry jam that is incredible on Hotcakes. Aug & Sept. the big muffins are loaded with fresh blueberries, - my dad used to call that livin high on the hog..
    I am looking at Rev Os Mrs M but want to leave the healthy minerals if I can - fortunately don't have a bacteria problem but I want that included if I can. I have a distiller but thats just in case of a worst case scenerio. Spring flooding always degrades our water and I plan to finally make a fix. Just before 9/11 I was buying a local weather shelter on the Gov't Surplus list but they took it back. I am still looking at retired ship and space shuttle
    hardware in salvage yards. To see If I can find something. I have a sixty ft Silo no longer being uaed at the barn which is a great place for a gravity feed system. I also have two giant stainless Milk storage tanks - for water storage. so have a start. Some friends think I'm nuts but I drive all summer free in my pollution free solar powered Yamaha Golf Cart. I will be leaving in a week to look for some needed items but will be back in a couple months.

    Lexie, I haven't heard the word Stone Fruit since I went to Ag School at the U Of Minnesota 50 years ago. It includes peachs, pears, nectarine, plums even the cherry etc. Well, my peaches and pears are not doing well, my neighbors pig ate most of the roots this spring so I cut off her
    water since she wouldn't pen the pig. Sat. the pig bit her boyfriends leg and he shot the pig. Now she want's the water turned back on. I said I would if she replanted 40 trees at least 3 yrs old. It cost $300 to bury the pig which could have been butchard and given to the church food locker. It's the same old story of making a pet of a farm animal.
    someones going to get hurt.
    PS the cookout was great - too cold to bob for apples so ate them - had enough
    gravy to send everyone home with a pint
    for biscuits. everyone got home safe and the garden is growing.
    Ohhh Mory - I fell in love with Biscuits and Gravy while I was over there!!! Although the gravy we had was typically white gravy and was waaaaay too sweet for me. I prefer good ole brown gravy. I make gravy from scratch here and put a little ingredient from the *Twisted Sisters* range. Its a type of chutney made with Olives, Chilli, Green Tomatoes and Spices. It adds a bit of *WOW* to the gravy. Also nice on Steak with Garlic Butter.

    Ohhhh, I am making myself hungry. I am off work with 2 sick boys today (and myself I guess) so I made them a butter cake to have after lunch.

    I was gonna make Banana Loaf, but Banana's are the only thing Tyler feels like eating while he is sick - so I better not sacrifice them just yet.

    Sounds like you had a good time Mory Smile
    Only thing planted are the Peas, Beans, Sunflowers, and nasturtiams. will do the onion sets this next weekend. They would have been in already but couldn't find the sets. I put them in every two weeks with radishes all summer. I fully expect at least two more frost nights this month. I bought a market pak of giant pansy just to look at on the porch - I will bring them in at night. I just kill them when I plant them. I went to WalMart and looked at all the plants dying in the sun. Wanted to save a few
    but have no protected place for them.
    On my last farm where I had the Greenhouse I had a big patch of Asparagas and they were truly wonderful. This morning I drove over to the Hutterite Farm Store and got my cracked grains for my bread and got a pint of homemade curd sour cream cheese.
    I ate the whole pint in the car before I got home so had to pass on lunch. Also got some corn relish - not as good as chutney Lexie - Also some gooseberry jam like my grandmother used to make.

    My Peonies are up 15 inches and the Bleeding Hearts are up about six. I'm going to put tomato frames this year on the peonies - last yewar they got so big they broke down when the light rain hit them. Bought two bags of Epson Salt to spread tomorrow.

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