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This doesn't make sense to me??

F fsmithoneMember
I copied the below from an ebay auction. What I don't understand is:
1. There were no bids listed beyond "ramushka" bid until the last 5 sec. of the sell.
2. The bidder "bill-allen" placed his bid with 4 sec. to go in the sell, AND IT WAS ACCEPTED
3. The bidder "ktownfatcat" shows his bid(s) placed some 4+ hours earlier, yet they NEVER showed up in the bids until after the close of the sale??
4. Yes, I kept refreshing my screen
5. Yes, I know people can get in last min. bids, but how do you get in a last min. bid and show and earlier bid date than the actual time you bid??

Thanks



Bidding history (Highest bids first)
If you and another bidder placed the same bid amount, the earlier bid takes priority
Date of Bid Bid Amount User ID
Mar-28-04 15:52:39 PST US $12.00 ktownfatcat( 99)
Mar-28-04 15:42:09 PST US $12.00 ktownfatcat( 99)
Mar-28-04 20:00:26 PST US $11.50 bill-allen( 481)
Mar-23-04 05:44:39 PST US $0.99 ramushka( 132)
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puppyraiserpuppyraiserMember
A different way to look at the auction...

The following table has been reorganized and sorted into date order.  First
bid placed is line #1.  That should make it easier to follow the auction.
Two additional columns have been calculated and added.  They are the current 
bid and high bidder, as displayed on eBay after each bid is placed.        v2.1.08
* = Winning bid. (may be less than actual maximum entered.)
 
                    Max                       Current Winning
 #    Bidder        Bid      Day & Time        Bid  &  Bidder
                   (US $)
  1   ramushka       0.99   23-Mar  05:44:39    0.99   ramushka     
  2   ktownfatcat  *12.00   28-Mar  15:42:09    1.04   ktownfatcat  
  3   ktownfatcat  *12.00   28-Mar  15:52:39    1.04   ktownfatcat  
  4   bill-allen    11.50   28-Mar  20:00:26   12.00   ktownfatcat  
        End                 28-Mar  20:00:33


The 'Current Bid' is NOT that bidders maximum bid. It is only enough to stay in the lead.
>Click Here< to learn about 'Proxy' bidding on eBay.

It's not the last bid that wins, it's the highest max.
F fsmithoneMember
I understand and agree with you. That is what the "record" shows.

However, NEITHER (as in none) of the two bids by ktownfatcat showed up on the record, during the open biding period and only the bid of bill-allen showed up at the last second(s). Then, following the close of the bidding, the winner shows up as ktownfatcat, with TWO bids that were supposedly made some 4+ hours earlier!!??

Again, how can someone get bids in that
1. don't show up until after the close
2. don't show up when they are made?

Thanks
puppyraiserpuppyraiserMember
Check out Proxy bidding on eBay again...

The displayed bid is NOT the high bidders maximum. It's only enough of that amount to stay in the lead until someone else bids over the amount he is willing to pay.

ramushke placed a bid for 0.99 in line 1

ktown bid (let's say) $13... the amount to be in the lead jumped to 1.04 in line 2

10 minutes later, they reconsidered and decided to up that amount to (let's say) $17. in line 3

line 4 is a snipe for 11.50 and it now required $12 of ktown's $17 max to stay in the lead.

Get it now?
F fsmithoneMember
OK. Maybe I'm just stupid I guess. Since ktownfatcat was NOT EVEN IN THE BIDDING, how could he have the top bid?

Maybe I'm just not able to convey what I'm trying to say, but I will try one more time:

ktownfatcat was NEVER in the bidding, as shown on the item, until AFTER the sale closed? How can he make a bid at 15:42.09 that didn't show up AT ALL, (even though I refreshed and reloged into myebay 6-7 times from 16:00 till the sale ended at 20:00:30

As a matter of fact, his SECOND entry, even though under your assesment he should have been the high bidder at 15:42:09, was made at 15:52.39 (which doesn't make sense if his bid at 15:49:09 was for $12 and was accepted at that time, was for the same amount and was accepted AGAIN!

YET, NEITHER OF THESE BIDS, NEITHER...NEITHER...NEITHER showed up in the sale at ANY TIME, while the sale was open.

Proxy bidding, as described by ebay says that your bid will be listed when you make it and then if someone outbids you, it will be automatically increased until you are outbid. These two bids, NEVER showed up AT ALL, in ANY WAY, until after the bidding was closed?

Again, how can that be??
puppyraiserpuppyraiserMember
Wait... Were you watching the bidding at AS, or eBay. At AS the prices and number of bids are not updated on a refresh, only the times. You have to hit the 'Update Price' button for price and bids update... and you can only do that once every 5 minutes. Frown Even at eBay you can't use the search results screen, you must load the actual auction.

If you want to watch the auction close you must do that at eBay.

>Click Here< for another site you might find interesting.
Last edited by puppyraiser
C chatterMember
We have received this question before. In every case, it has been that the person does not understand how eBay's proxy bidding system works.

The bid was made hours earlier by ktownfatcat. The winning amount's total of $12.00 did not show until BillAllen's snipe of $11.50 raised ktownfactcat's proxy. Before that, kt's bid would have shown as $1.49, which was .50¢ above the next highest bid of .99¢.

You never, not even after the auction, have any way of knowing the full amount of the winning bid. You only see the amount it needed to stay one increment ahead of the second-highest bidder. Wink
F fsmithoneMember
I guess I just can't convience you that THERE WAS NO OTHER BID on the table, on the screen or posted ANYWHERE, other than the orginial bid of .99 by ramushka UNTIL the last 4 sec. of the sale.

I know, I know, you don't believe it, but that was the case.

I think I will run a screen capture with time record for a few more of these types of sales and maybe that will convience someone that something is rotten in Denmark.
puppyraiserpuppyraiserMember
If I knew how to bid after auction end and not leave any proof behind, I would do it all the time, and only bid on auctions I wanted to win. The winner of this auction has a 50% win rate.
quote:
he should have been the high bidder at 15:42:09, was made at 15:52.39 (which doesn't make sense if his bid at 15:49:09 was for $12 and was accepted at that time, was for the same amount and was accepted AGAIN!
If you understood the bidding rules and read my explanation, it makes perfect sense. Your insistence that the winner placed two $12 bids suggests that you do *not* grasp proxy bidding and bidding increments. I promise you... they did not place two $12 bids 10 minutes apart... that is also impossible. ktown's second bid was at least $12.50, and probably more.

Sorry, don't mean to sound condescending, but I believe you only *think* you understand the process.
F fsmithoneMember
I guess I can't seem to get you out of the mode of being so smart and trying to answer the simple question:

While certainly it makes sense how ktownfatcat could win the sale, it makes NO sense why his bid of ANY amount did not show up until after the close of the sale.

You can explain proxy all you like, but the record shows that "K" made a bid at 15:42.09. If he did why did it NOT show up for over 4+ hours?? Simple question.
bartelbybartelbyMember
We have answered the question....What you cant seem to understand is....it's not possible!

Dont you think if this was happening, everybody would be jumping up and down and whining.

Are you complaining on the ebay boards? if you aren't - I suggest you do. See whether you get any different answers there, obviously we aren't helping as we aren't giving you the answers you would like. Smile
F fairwindsMember
fsmithone,

I do understand what you are saying and I have to say I have seen it happen myself, however I would propose that it is more of a problem with Ebay "cathing up" than anything else. Have you ever won/lost/been outbid in an auction on Ebay only to receive their email notification 2 days later? It's neither fair nor right, but it is sometimes the nature of the "Ebay Beast." Smile
C chatterMember
quote:
Originally posted by fsmithone:
I guess I just can't convience you that THERE WAS NO OTHER BID on the table, on the screen or posted ANYWHERE, other than the orginial bid of .99 by ramushka UNTIL the last 4 sec. of the sale.

I know, I know, you don't believe it, but that was the case.

I think I will run a screen capture with time record for a few more of these types of sales and maybe that will convience someone that something is rotten in Denmark.


No, you will not likely convince us. I, for one, would gladly examine any such run screen capture, which would obviously have to be on future auctions. My prediction is that none will ever be shared with us.

It is not that anyone here is trying to be "smart." It is that you are asking them to believe something that makes no sense and for which there is no independent evidence. I call that logic, rather than being "smart" or sarcastic--it is the sign of a trained mind and should be admired.

Lacking empirical evidence, it just sounds like another conspirancy theory. Frown

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