FRAUD ON EBAY! WATCH OUT!

To member: rn039
From member: rock--steady

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spafons_comics is running a scam. Do Not pay.

He's running a scam. I cancelled my payment thru my credit card company. The
phone number he has registered with ebay is not his. Sorry.
Charles
rn039@hotmail.com wrote:

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>Do u have any info from Spafon comics? I am also another winner and am just a
little skeptical. I just want to know what types of reasons that he gave to
other buyers for the late shipment and what not. I have just emailed all of the
winners to see if this is for real. Hey we need to be safe
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>Thx

To be honest - I havent heard from him yet....and it does seem a bit
suspicious.....what are you hearing?????

I cancelled my payments, as well as at least 1 other Ebayer who e-mailed me. If I were you, I would IMMEDIATELY cancel all payments. His reasons make no sense. And you have to remember, the reason for the 2-3 delay is just enough time for him to withdraw all the money from PAYPAL, close the account, and run with the money. BEWARE!

Thank you, Joe

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it seems funny to me the guy has sold over 40 ultimate spiderman #1s
white cover df & red cover issues 9.2 9.4 and many wolverine orgin #1s in the past three days and he keeps adding more there is only about 300+ graded by cgc and this guy has 20% of all issues world wide many people have written me they were told he going to a wedding he got the issues for 2.00 each and the issues are in another state so he has to go get them. i also heard the number on his ebay info is not his. I know if i really had that many issues i would make easily double the money. you know what they say if it sounds to good to be true it usually is. I made my bids and then looked what else he had and thought to myself **** these books may not exist but nobody wants to miss a great deal. i would rather keep my money
and pay the extra 40.00 to 100.00 for something legit i have held off selling my
ultimate spidermans because these prices are killing the market and then there is going to be a lot of pissed off buyers so iam getting screwed twice.


write back with any info you may have jayson

i spoke to him, he is kind of tempermental, heres the message he sent me when i asked him what the story with his shipment said:

as stated in the auction 2-3 weeks.
This is the 30th email I have received asking when the comics will ship can't
you people read?
The contact info is old, it was accurate at one time. This is a prime example of
why have not updated it.
Every buyer of my current auctions would have called me and hounded me to sent
the comics sooner.
Well that's impossible and I don't intend to spend the whole day telling that to
people who can't read.
You can proceed with any investigation you want Ebay won't even listen to you
until 30 days past end of auction.
Here's the deal. I have the comics @ my Mom's house which has saved me a large
amount on shipping for a big lot I bought.
That is over 500 miles from me. I am going there for a wedding weekend after
next. I am getting the comics then and will
ship them the following week. I cannot get time off of work to make a special
trip for those of you who can't read.
Now you have the full story and rest assured the comics will arrive 2-3 weeks
from end of auction.
I you would like a full refund I will have no problem selling the comics @ the
Buy it Now prices I am asking.
You must also understand some of us have real lives and am not at the keyboard
all day. Some of us have to work.
So frantically sending multiple emails, filled with hollow threats, will not get
a quicker response if the person you are emailing is not at the computer.

-----Original Message-----

Thanks!!!!!! I am also checking with a couple of my contacts.

todd

Don't believe the guy when he tells you eBay won't check anything out for 30 days. It isn't true. I blew the whistle on a scam seller and within two weeks he was outta eBay -- gone! I got 24-hour turnaround from eBay on it.

Hey guys... send me the contact info that you do have. I just might be able to help you out. If I can't... no harm done. If I can, you'll be talking to him on the phone really soon. Send to my private email.

[sellers address removed by moderator]

[This message was edited by Sniper Sara B. on March 14, 2002 at 11:10 AM.]

Chris Actually posted his contact information! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHa

User ID: Spafon_comics has been booted off ebay for selling all of the fraudulent CGC comic books!!!!!!

Amen, Brother. Spafon_comics stinks. He threw a hissy fit when I asked him for
contact info. I'm glad someone else got the same result I did. That jerk sent a
NPB warning out against me. I told him I wasn't paying him a dime until I could
get some valid information. I wanted a phone number and address that I could
verify and he went ballistic. Thanks for sticking up for the rest of us.
Charles

All you maggots are going to be banned from Ebay for transaction interferance, Sued for slander and indicted for conspiracy. Have a nice day!

I forgot to mention that idiot that posted my personal info is going to get thrown off his ISP.

Non-paying bidder complaints and negative feedback will be had by all.

Gee, sounds like a disgruntled seller. Guess he didn't learn from his experience. EBay takes a dim view of disciplined sellers who try to take revenge by posting negative feedback against people who exposed their wrongdoings. Dumb.

... sellers that are ripping off buyers should be exposed as the criminals that they are. In one word, it is FRAUD. What better forum for exposure of such behaviour than right here where eBay buyers and sellers congregate? This comics seller is headed for trouble (whether he is bright enough to be aware of it, I'm not sure...). Possession is 9/10th's of the law and since this person doesn't have possession, then... hmmmmm. Is it even legal to sell merchandise that one does not have possession of? It appears there are many disgruntled buyers out there who will certainly be heard out and likely the majority will rule.ê

Lisa asks, "Is it even legal to sell merchandise that one does not have possession of?" The answer is "Yes, as long as one can deliver the goods one sells." Taking money and not producing merchandise is fraud -- in the case of eBay transactions, mail fraud. So if this bozo has actually stiffed any of you good folks, your local P.O. has a standard complaint form you can fill out and file with the Office of the Postal Service Inspector General. The investigators there have real badges and guns and arrest powers, and they don't play around. Let's see him try to bluster and bully his way out of that.

WOW! THAT IS GREAT THAT THIS BOZO HAS FOUND THIS FORUM! ATLEAST HE CAN NOW SEE WHAT EVERYONE THINKS OF FRAUDULENT SELLERS ON EBAY!

I truly hope that ebay takes action on this. Along with a few others, I have also sent information to safe harbor on this crooked seller!

I am surprised he is still a registered user

Hi there,
I'm new to auctionsniper, whose the thief on Ebay causing so much turmoil to the Ebay community? I would love to put them on my blocked bidder list. I am with you, these people are ruining it for everyone that is a good seller! Ebay needs to go after these sellers when they start getting 5 negatives or complaints NOT when the seller has 40!! Considering EBAY keeps raising our fees, they need to keep the respectable buyers & sellers safe from crooks like that seller. Thanks.
Mondaymom

Mondaymom, all the fuss and feathers is about a rogue seller, not a bidder. Too bad eBay doesn't feature a blocked seller list.

People.......... Just RE-LAX! What spafon_comics says all makes perfect sense! He has the same story to everyone who asks. I even know someone who has already received his or her ultimate spider-man. Slandering him over and over isn’t going to do anything!
Personally I think rock--steady and xsmr2 are the real criminals here. You ever heard of the bill of rights? Innocent until proven guilty? You haven't even waited to see if we get the comics in the time stated 2-3 weeks! I would be pissed off to if I were spafon_comics.
He is already being accused of being a scam artist and no one is giving him the benefit of the doubt! IF everyone is so freakin nervous then they shouldn't have freakin bid! I am nervous too but there isn’t nothing you can do until he doesn't come through!! Just chill! If he were going to rip us off he would have ripped us off for allot more money then he did!! You know this is how innocent people used to get lynched in the old day’s cuzz of pricks like y'all! Personally I hope he doesn't send some of you chicken sh**s your comics as a lesson for being such arrogant self-riotous pricks!!!

CHILL!

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."

Another one who uses vulgarisms and angry icons. Sigh.

I see one of the false accusers has been removed from ebay. When will the next one?
Karma is such a wonderful thing.

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."

Here is a few of spafons_comics latest feedbacks:

acampbell124 (1) Mar-13-02 08:00:49 PST 1079715025 S
Complaint : Disturbed man. Very hostile. Email harassment to husband. BAD
Response by spafons_comics - This guy is still interfering with my transactions!! POISON, STAY AWAY!!!
Follow-up by acampbell124 - I hope you get some help, you have a real problem. Take care and God loves you.
acampbell124 (1) Mar-13-02 08:00:49 PST 1079674018 S
Complaint : Disturbed man. Very hostile. Email harassment to husband. BAD
Follow-up by acampbell124 - I hope you get some help, you have a real problem. Take care and God loves you.
xsmr2 (54) Mar-12-02 10:16:11 PST 1080877668 S
Complaint : CALLS BUYERS PISS ANTS & THREATENS TO HAVE THEM KICKED 4 ASKING 4 CONTACT INFO
rock--steady (327) Mar-11-02 13:26:20 PST 1079701317 S
Complaint : Belligerent seller. Threw tantrum when asked for contact info.
Follow-up by rock--steady - All of you buyers beware. He loves the retaliatory fb. Nothing but bad here!
Response by spafons_comics - This guy is still interfering with my transactions!! POISON, STAY AWAY!!!
rock--steady (327) Mar-11-02 13:26:19 PST 1079706745 S
Complaint : Belligerent seller. Threw tantrum when asked for contact info.
Follow-up by rock--steady - Contact info was not valid at time of transaction. Guess whose neg will go away?
Response by spafons_comics - This guy is still interfering with my transactions!! POISON, STAY AWAY!!!

The only one you claim of receiving their CGC comic is probably his friend.

And second, spafon still does not have serial #'s of the CGC graded comics to prove he even has them.

I pray to God that you get your CGC comic since you are so gullible. It's really too bad.

Good luck to you and god bless

dapence (24) Mar-11-02 16:22:34 PST 1079839493 S Praise : Quick response, no problems ... HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!

This is someone who bid on one of the auctions in question. One of the spider-man auctions you claim to be scams. Gee seems we have failure to communicate ooohhhh wait no its just you!

First off it hasn't been three weeks yet so i don't expect to have received my comics yet. I don't jump the gun like some people.
Three users left negative feedback for him? Ok well two of those users are the same person or at the very least the same household which if i remember correctly is against ebay policy.
I am assuming rickdawg that you are xsmr2??
As i said it's a bummer that anyone listens to people like you!

[This message was edited by nobodyspecial26 on March 17, 2002 at 01:34 PM.]

It reads in the auctions 2-3 weeks it has just barely been 2 weeks for me and even less for you!
I'm confident i am receiving my comics.
And just because everyone you talk to has not yet received their comics doesn't mean a thing. Majority of the people who won spafons_comics auctions are ignoring you, like i should have. It just pisses me off that hard working people get their name dragged through the mud because of people who have nothing better to do but ruin someones life.
Grow up!

[This message was edited by nobodyspecial26 on March 17, 2002 at 01:36 PM.]

I was a high bidder on one of his comics as well. He never contacted my husband after we asked him for item verification. He's not getting a dime from us.

If he doenst want to sell legit items then so be it. Forget about it.

May I also add, we have not yet posted negative feedback because we do not want the retalitory. I am sure there are many others who want to leave a negative but do not in fear.

(To: Rickdogg, Rock--steady, and acampbell)
Thanks for taking a stand for all of us, since the rest of us do not have high feedbacks to be believed. These people should be praised for trying to protect ebayers and make it a safe place for trading.

Thank you for responding to my email

I will get others

Anyway i am not trying to defend anyone i am just simply saying you should wait for a crime to be commited before accusing someone of doing it. So the guy did not have a current phone number on his contact info. So he does not want to hold the hand of every lil nervous ebayer who wants to hear his voice to confirm he really exists?
So what would you do if you did talk to him? Whine? Cry? Beg to not be ripped off?
Way i see it you have two choices send him the money or don't! But i think its pretty rude to win an auction and not fullfill your end. Geezz he only accepts paypal.....if you send him payment with your credit card you are 100% protected under the buy protection policy.
Ebay will give you back up to $200 on each auction if they are a fraud. If you refuse to send him your money then your the one not fullfilling the auction agreement. If you had questions you should have asked them before bidding! Thats the way all of ebay works!
Now yes maybe we are all going to get ripped off but i for one will get every cent back if it is true. So why are people leaving negative feedback before the stated 2-3 weeks are up? Because your a whiner. I have had well over 300 positive transactions on ebay and not one of them did i ever loose a dime. Buyer protection and chargebacks REALLY DO WORK if you get ripped off!
Quit playing judge, jury and executioner and stop bidding on auctions if your going to jump to conclusions like this.

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."

[This message was edited by nobodyspecial26 on March 17, 2002 at 02:01 PM.]

He left 4 negatives; 2 for acampbell and 2 for rock--steady!

THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY EBAY! HMMMM, I WONDER WHY?!?!?! I WONDER WHY EBAY DID THAT??? FOR FUN?

"Lack of brains=lack of character"

WELL.....

Non-selling sellers deserve negative feedback as well as non-paying bidders. CORRECT?

Hmmmm, your reasoning is correct, but too bad it's wrong in this situation.

THE NON-SELLING SELLER's NEGATIVE STAYED, WHILE THE SUPPOSED "NON-PAYING BIDDERS DISAPPEARED"

HAHAHAHAHAH

SO I GUESS EBAY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! The non-paying bidders did receive negative feedback, but was pulled by ebay since it was false.

"LACK OF BRAINS=LACK OF CHARACTER"

The negative feedback left for Spafons_comics was mostly warrented. It was left because he had a bad attitude. In which i would agree it was warrented. What i was questioning was why it came to this when the stated 2-3 week period has not passed yet?

Ok im done. I'm sick of this. Your both wrong in your actions. As the saying goes two wrongs don't make a right. This forum is way out of context now and i for one no longer wish to be a part of it!


"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."

And don't give us some lame excuse like "I pulled myself off ebay". So again i agree ebay has made all the right decisions!

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."

GOOD LUCK TO YOU! KEEP LOOKING IN THE MAIL!

with nobodyspecial, that this discussion has gone beyond the context of AS. Let's get back to chatting about sniping and ask the sellers to join in if they want to. I'd like to hear about sniping from the perspective of a seller, actually. For it or against it, and why?

In some ways i like sniping and others i don't. It is nice when you watch your auction go on all week and it doesn't quite get up as high as you hoped and then at the last minute a bunch of snipes creep in and bump up the auction price. From a sellers point of view i love it.
of course i hate getting the emails after the auction ends that the person who got out bid was willing to pay more. As much as it hurts i always tell them tough! They should of bid higher then.

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."