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Lost because snipe went in 34 seconds before when set at 5

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region2region2Member
I guess AS must have placed it early for a genuine reason - slow connection or maybe slow server speed.

With your snipe arriving 34 seconds before the end, could you have manually placed a higher snipe yourself? it's very doubtful that someone did react to your bid with a higher one so chances are you would have been beaten by a higher proxy anyway.

What's the item number?

R2

bartelbybartelbyMember
Hi Linda Smile

Frustrating isnt it? Below are some links to this topic, it may help you understand why it was done.

>>Click Here<<

>>>Click Here<<<

>>>Click Here<<<

>>and Here<<

They dont usually just whack your bid in early for the hell of it, as R2 said, there will be a genuine reason. Personally, I would prefer my bid to go in early than not at all because ebay slowed right down.

Sometimes it wouldnt matter if your bid was placed 3 minutes early - the proxy or other sniper that beat you, would still beat you because they were wanting to pay more.

>IF< you are annoyed because someone else won, I would say you didnt bid your MAX bid, but maybe your Medium MAX. Other wise you wouldnt mind that someone else beat you - because you would be saying "HA HA Sucker - you paid too much for that!". You have to remember that as a sniper you only get one shot and you have to decide how much you are willing to pay.

Its kinda hard to give an accurate response without an auction number or bid history (your link is too YOUR My snipes which we cant access Smile )

Sorry I am waffling but I have been at work 12hrs and am feeling a little screwy

Lexie

"If you read - you will judge!"
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L lindamMember
I normally would grin and bear it.. but this same perfume bottle stood on my mom's dresser for years and then wound up broken when I shipped her effects here in 1981. Lots of memories and so I dearly wanted that perfume set up. I wish I'd bid higher... but if you look, until my snipe went in the bid was running about 1/3 the final bid and I had no clue it would go that high...I've spoken to several people much more experienced in perfume bottles who were also very surprised at the final bid price. I did NOT want someone else to have the time. I had another snipe set elsewhere for only slightly less just in case this one failed - that was set at 7 seconds and went in at 7 seconds..just as it should have.. problem is that this bid was already in and the party bidding against me had plenty of time to up the ante. If I'd wanted to let them know what I was willing to bid, I'd have bid that amount three days ago!

Aggravated and upset doesn't even start to describe how I felt. If the net or ebay are running slow, I'd like it up to me when I bid and take my chances.. not to have my bid time changed because of some empiric formula.
puppyraiserpuppyraiserMember
Hi Linda... Tuff break, but...

Looking at eBays bid history, it appears that terukajc saw your bid and then bid a little more than you, however... think about the proxy process. After your bid, the displayed price on eBay was one bid increment above the next to highest bid, or $309. terukajc did NOT know your max. It appears (to me anyway) you would have lost reguardless of how late your bid might have been placed. The price of $760 was only displayed AFTER they more than doubled the current price.

Sorry, but it really looks like someone else just wanted it more than you. Also remember we don't know the winners max. It could have been $1000 or more!

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S snipersarabAuctionSniper Support
It's unlikely your early snipe caused you to lose because they other bidders high bid was so much higher than the price you were winning it at.

And in fact they barely made it in. There is no way they sniped at 1 second. The probably did a 10+ second snipe and just barellllly made it.

It's unfortunate, but eBays irregular stability on the quarter hours, and hours even more so require large lead times.

It's impossible to know the other bidders maximum. Hopefully you'll find this item again. Set up a saved search on our searches tab and it will email you when it finds one.

Also perhaps there are other avenues where you might find this item. With the surpising high price you werent expecting maybe even for less than your high bid. I would assume there are collectible groups for such items where you might be able to find one.

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that was set at 7 seconds and went in at 7 seconds..just as it should have..

Your last bid was with 24 seconds left. How can you tell? You have no bids with only 7 seconds left. If anythig you tipped off other bidders and snipers by bidding twice with 2+ whole day left. That gave other bidders a chance to check what other auctions you bid on and prices you bid on other items, etc. And it jacked the price of the item up by $50+.
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S shirleyMember
I'm sorry you lost this item, Linda. I can imagine how frustrating it must be. I've got one of those "holy grail" items that I've been watching for for year, and have never seen -- I've often thought that the only thing more frustrating than NOT finding it, would be FINDING it, and then losing the bid.

But if it's any consolation, from looking at your bid history I don't think the timing would have mattered.

A few seconds before the end of the auction, you were winning with a high bid of $309. Then, ONE SECOND before the end, Terukajc took it away from you with a single bid that more than DOUBLED the final price to $760. We have no way of knowing what Teruk's max was, but it was obviously VERY high, compared to the going rate. If Teruk had nibbled in the 34-second window, then I'd say yes, he was reacting to your early snipe. But I don't think that was the case here.

Also, if you were going to snipe an item that you wanted THAT bad, would you wait until the very last SECOND? I suspect that Teruk was also using a sniping software, and because of ebay's delays, it ALMOST didn't make it in. For your sake, it would have been nice if he had missed it...

This may be one of those semi-legendary cases where two "money is (almost) no object" snipes collided... I'm sorry that you got burned, though.

puppyraiserpuppyraiserMember 
The following table has been reorganized and sorted into date order.  First
bid placed is line #1.  That should make it easier to follow the auction.
Two additional columns have been added.  They are the current bid and high
bidder, as displayed on eBay after each bid is placed.              v2.1.00
* = Winning bid. (may be less than actual maximum entered.)
 
                        Max                        Current Winning
 #    BIDDER            Bid      Day & Time         Bid  &  Bidder
                       (US $)
  1   falerno1         180.00   25-Jan  22:15:09   179.50   falerno1 
  2   nathier          201.00   26-Jan  01:53:48   182.50   nathier 
  3   delabouteille    186.00   26-Jan  02:06:16   188.50   nathier 
  4   nathier          233.00   26-Jan  02:48:02   188.50   nathier 
  5   klc411           191.51   29-Jan  17:06:36   194.01   nathier 
  6   klc411           200.00   29-Jan  17:06:54   202.50   nathier 
  7   catnipmercer     225.00   29-Jan  20:56:09   227.50   nathier 
  8   catnipmercer     250.00   29-Jan  20:56:24   235.50   catnipmercer 
  9   aimpc            238.00   30-Jan  16:35:24   240.50   catnipmercer 
 10   penn_pal         265.00   30-Jan  17:18:21   255.00   penn_pal 
 11   catnipmercer     750.00   01-Feb  20:59:14   270.00   catnipmercer 
 12   penn_pal         304.00   01-Feb  20:59:39   309.00   catnipmercer 
 13   terukajc        *760.00   01-Feb  20:59:47   760.00   terukajc


J jabbergahMember
Linda,

I realize that you are disappointed about losing the auction and are looking for someone to blame. Unfortunately, I don't think your bid affected what teruk bid. In this auction teruk is a sniper like you -- maybe even more so than you! Teruk DIDN'T bid at all on the item until literally the very last second, so it is unlikely your bid had very much influence on teruk's bid. Your winning bid on the item at the time teruk placed the bid was only at $306.50. Teruk had no idea what your proxy was -- why didn't he snipe $350 or $400 or $500 even in response to your $306.50 bid? In all those cases you would have won! The time your bid went in is not the problem. The depth of your pocket, while quite deep, unfortunately was NOT the deepest! THAT was the problem!

Some little ray of hope that might be worth keeping in mind -- maybe teruk uses the "nuclear snipe" strategy -- placing incredibly LARGE snipes (maybe teruk's proxy was $1000 or more! Eek) but never wanting to pay such a high bid. If teruk backs out of the deal, the seller may offer you a "second chance" offer on the item.

If you look at the other items teruk has bought recently -- lots of perfume bottles -- must be a collector.

Jabbergah                                                    
J jabbergahMember
...in line! I even messed up on the bid increment!

Ah hah! I'm the only one to mention the possibility of a second chance offer! Am I offering Linda false hope? Do you guys think maybe she should drop the seller an e-mail expressing interest if winner balks?

Do you guys think teruk was a nuclear sniper?

Jabbergah                                                    
S shirleyMember
Yes, I think Nuclear sniping is a distinct possibility...

According to Teruk's feedback, nine of the last ten wins were snipes, and SEVEN of those were at exactly 11 seconds. I didn't notice any huge increment jumps like Linda's auction. One of those items was for $308, and one was 102 GBP, and one was $42, but all the rest were under $20. Keep your fingers crossed for a second-chance offer!

You might also contact the seller and ask if he has any idea where you might find another item like this one -- Of course, now he knows how much you're willing to pay for it, though...

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L lindamMember
I often bid at least once to get it easily viewable in my "bid list" on my eBay. Many times I'll bid manually once or twice and never bid higher or snipe.. just not that interested if it doesn't go for less than what I bid. I don't see this as flagging anything.. you think it does?

I don't think there was anyway they had a clue anyone would go THAT high. Most serious collectors would have stopped far earlier.. the item shouldn't have been that much unless someone had another reason to want it, like I did because of my mom. As I said, I checked with experienced perfume collectors (I'm a novice) and was advised it should go for far less (about $350-400).

Linda
J jabbergahMember
...also known as "mega-snipe".

<<<CLIK HERE>>>

The reason I suggest there MIGHT be some hope is that if the winner indeed did bid much more than he/she intended to pay, some 2nd thoughts/cold feet might become a factor. If the winning bidder of an item for some reason does not/can not complete the deal, eBay gives the seller the option to make a "Second Chance" offer of the item to the next highest bidder, which would be you. The way it works though, is the offer would be a buy-it-now at your MAX bid. You could do an ebay help search on "second chance" for more info.

Hope that helps.

Jabbergah                                                    
J jabbergahMember
...Linda, at Puppy's data table. Your $750 bid is at bid#11. The last 2 columns show what the winning bid & who's the winning bidder after each bid is placed.

Before teruk bid, the screen would have showed you as holding the winning bid of $309. Only you & ebay knew that you had a proxy bid of $750.

Jabbergah                                                    
L lindamMember
Ah, then I was nuclear sniping and maybe so was he. I had hoped the amount would be more reasonable, but would have paid that much because of the memories of my mom. Boy, if he was nuclear sniping.. he may well have gotten burnt! I was willing to pay that price.. but I maybe whoever it was will reconsider... worth asking the seller. Thanks.

However, that doesn't deal with my primary concern. Can I trust auctionsniper to bid when I ask it to and not at some other time. This may send me back to manual sniping.


As to the person who asked how I knew when the other sniper software sniped (though it was less and didn't show).. I am going according to what the other program said in it's reporting that my snipe with that software was too low.

Linda
S shirleyMember
Personally, I think the answer to your question is Yes. As a general rule, AS is very reliable. The only reason they add time on to an auction when eBay is running slowly is to make sure you don't miss out because of the delays that they can't control.

This auction is actually an excellent example -- Teruk has a definite pattern (7 of the last ten auctions) of placing snipe bids at exactly 11 seconds, probably using some sort of software to get that precise. In this case, his/her bid went in at just ONE second. So if ebay had a 10-second delay, your five-second snipe would have missed altogether! Would have saved Teruk about $451, but then you might have felt that you "would have won" if AS had placed your snipe "on time"... Wink

One for the archives, Rick?

J jabbergahMember
...and, yes, you could be considered a nuclear sniper EXCEPT you were WILLING to pay that price to win! The same may not necessarily be true for the winning bidder who might TRUELY be a nuclear sniper who just got "burnt"! Eek Serves him right! Razz

You posted:
quote:
However, that doesn't deal with my primary concern. Can I trust auctionsniper to bid when I ask it to and not at some other time. This may send me back to manual sniping.
You won't like this, but the answer is NO! The primary objective of AS is to get a BID PLACED. Secondary is to place it at the requested lead time. If the AS software detects a slow down in ebay response, it automatically adjusts the lead time to better assure the bid does indeed get successfully placed. Now if you read everybody's response to your auction, the consensus is the time of bid was NOT the issue here, but the SIZE of the bid. You seem to think if your bid was placed later, teruk would NOT have bid. Sorry, but we all disagree with that assumption! If teruk's bid is placed REGARDLESS of WHEN your bid is placed, you still would have lost. The only difference I see is that Penn might not have had the chance to place that one last bid at #12.

Jabbergah                                                    
J jabbergahMember
Linda posted:
quote:
As to the person who asked how I knew when the other sniper software sniped (though it was less and didn't show).. I am going according to what the other program said in it's reporting that my snipe with that software was too low.
What was the amount of the other snipe & when did it supposedly get placed? It would be ironic if you discovered the OTHER service is the one unreliable! Wink

Jabbergah                                                    
C chatterMember
Let me add, Linda, that most of us here would agree that bidding during the auction most definitely "flags" interest. Indeed, it is the principal reason that many of us are here; the purpose of sniping is to not reveal one's interest until the very last seconds. For whatever reasons, many bidders, especially newbies, leave their bid as is if they think no one else is bidding, but raise it if someone does bid.

Welcome, and I hope the item comes up again. Be sure and have your eBay search set so you will be notified if it does. Many, if not most, of my eBay acquisitions are sentimental in nature and often I will pay far more than the "market value" (whatever that means). Smile
rickrickMember
quote:
Originally posted by LindaM:
I often bid at least once to get it easily viewable in my "bid list" on my eBay. Many times I'll bid manually once or twice and never bid higher or snipe..

My opinion is that nothing good ever comes from proxy bidding and that there's a lot of bad that it will bring.
L lindamMember
>>Also perhaps there are other avenues where you might find this item. With the surpising high price you werent expecting maybe even for less than your high bid. I would assume there are collectible groups for such items where you might be able to find one.<<

Yes, there is and I just am joining the major group for perfumes.. but word spreads fast about the ebay auctions so I doubt it will be much less. I will certainly continue to pursue it.

Thank you.
cameracameraMember
Last week,the same thing happened to me.

A very rare camera sold for parts with three others - just the thing to put the one I have had for four years back into working order again.

I realised that one of the very "dedicated" German collectors had already placed a bid at a highish level. I considered the nuclear option, but secretly thought he might have deeper pockets than I had! In the end, I opted for a moderately sane level with AS and ........... LOST!

As there were three cameras for parts, I decided to email him on the excuse that he might not want the one I did. It's the first time I have ever done that and his reply surprised me "as you are in the US, the postage on three cameras is reasonable for you, but it makes the camera too expensive for me!" (He obviously had not expected a bid at my level)

So I agreed to buy it and the transaction is now complete with a rather surprised seller - good thing I have 400+ positives or he might not have agreed.

So you are all thinking, my good fortune to live in the US. Actually I don't, I live in the UK! I did some lateral thinking instead - told the seller to keep the other two cameras and had it posted seamail! In the end I got quite a bargain.

So Linda, write to the purchaser and ask if they are interested in selling - they may just want to make a profit on it, which if the item is that rare, will be well worth paying.

On the other hand, everything that is on sale normally come up again. I once wanted a fog light glass for my 1933 Alvis - I found one at an Autojumble (I had never seen one before - ever) but the price was so high, I just had to walk away (£50 for a 6" moulded glass lens) I was unhappy, but simply did not have that sort of money.(The car had only cost me £45!) Ten minutes later I was the extremely happy owner of an identical lens for 50p (about 70cts)

Good hunting - you will find another.

Try entering the exact description in all the search engines - not just Google - Yahoo has a list of 300 or so!

Paul
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