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Hi again, I am in Australia so yes the time does correspond with AS down time. What a bugger. I missed out on some good stuff. I will have to remember in future not to use it on our Friday nights. Never mind it was not meant to be. Sorry I should have said Hi to everyone before but I was pretty annoyed at AS and this is my first time. Venting my anger.
Cheers.
That's not quite how I read it. I think what some are looking for is a warning. Either as snipe is entered, or via email:

Your auction ends durring scheduled 1-3 Friday morning maintenance. AS will be down, and/or eBay will be intermitently down. Since eBay may or may not be able to accept bids durring this time, your bid will be sent at 12:59 AM eBay.com time.

Big Grin Have those programers stop playing cards and get to work.
...and YES I'm joking with you a little.
I agree, why can't the bidder be alerted to the fact that the snipe will be placed eary due to down time. Perhaps it is because they won't place the snipe!!!!! Sneaky.
I sent a query to AS and the response was "quote" We do this if eBay servers are running slow. We monitor how long it is taking them to accept bids. If they are running slowly we put in the bids that much in advance. If their servers then speed back up your bid goes in early. "unquote" - 38 minutes too early. What do you think of that answer?
I think the support person in question probably thought you meant 38 seconds. Obvisiouly they are wrong and I am right.

quote:
***Scheduled Maintenance for July 2nd***
Date: 07/01/04 Time: 10:22:55 AM PDT


The eBay system will be undergoing maintenance from approximately 01:00 to 03:00 PT on Friday, July 2nd. During this maintenance period, certain eBay site features may be intermittently unavailable or slow.

Regards,
eBay
Message Address: http://www2.ebay.com:80/aw/announce.shtml#2004-07-01101907

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Originally posted by Sniper Sara B.:
eBay did maintenance last night from 1am-3am.
We thus place bids around 12:59am.

Or would you rather us place them from 1am-3am and eBay not get them since they are down?


Sara - to back up R2's request. OUR Ebay (.com.au) still functions whilst the ever important .com is down for maintenance. So, your comment above is irrevelant to R2, GG, Sheepie and myself (plus numerous other non Yank users). We can still bid on our ebay sites and do whilst AS is down. Its quite inconvenient to have to try and calculate whether my aussie bids are going to fall in the danger zone or not.

Can you please tell us why is it such a big deal to have a warning?
When I asked about the Warning, why it was not in place and when it might 'happen', this is what I got:
quote:
because we're working on other more important things. eBay and us have
been down from 1am-3am for years and years.

They're placed at 12:59 am because at 1:37am eBay could be
down. Even if eBay was up at 1:36:59 it could be down 1 second
later. It is not safe to place any bid between 1am and 3am. If eBay
happens to be up and a manual bidder snipes then that's lucky for them.

I'm not going to lie and say we're working on it and it'll be ready in a week.
Fact is it won't be. We do know about it, I'd love to see it addressed, maybe in a month. It's summer 4 people are out on vacation right now. Everyone
else have bigger fish to fry. The person I'd assign to do this wont be back for 2 weeks.
When he gets back he'll have way more important things to fix. So 4 weeks would be the earliest.
Are s/he and Sara related? Frown

R2
Is it really that difficult or time consuming to issue users a notification of down time giving them the option of letting a bid being placed too early or not? This thread just really highlights the complete lack of faith and communication AS has with its current customer base. I believe the practice of placing bids early for whatever reason is just an illustration of how AS will manipulate the bid to ensure a win and thus ensure payment. AS should tell the user ebay/AS may or may not be down and give them the choice to place the automatic snipe. If the customer comes here crying after given that choice point them to your CURRENT literature that clearly states there are risks involved. AS currently has NO OFFICIAL WRITTEN LITERATURE stating that it manipulates bid-lead times based of 'potential' down-times and high traffic forecasts. It needs to be in AS guides and FAQ. If you did, then there wouldn't be this problem.

From the FAQ:
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42. How can I snipe when you go down for maintenance? When do you go down for maintenance?

Our maintenance is the same as eBay: 1 to 3 a.m. on Friday mornings. Your snipe wouldn't have gone through anyway. You can’t bid when eBay is down.


I notice there is very little here regarding time zones (for international customers) & and a potential for placing bids up to two hours early. Why is that information missing?

PB
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I believe the practice of placing bids early for whatever reason is just an illustration of how AS will manipulate the bid to ensure a win and thus ensure payment.
That's what I want... to win.

Now you're complaining about maintenance times not being in the FAQ's, and then quote from the FAQ's where it is. Confused

Enough already... If winning an auction is low on your list of priorities and you would rather get the rush of taking more risk, do a google search for 'snipe ebay'. There are several other places to go.

(edit) let me turn my mood up from -7 to -2...
I confused you with someone else, and suggesting THEY might be happier someplace else.
Last edited by puppyraiser
Puppy,

I think it's great you want to win at any cost. I want to win at all costs sometimes too. However, when I pay to use AS, I want to win within the guidelines that AS has presented in its sales pitch: Last second, lowest price, without a bid war. Their undocumented tweaking of bid times adds a new level of risk on the sniper and also is directly against what is stated in the terms of their service.

Also, from your previous post, I believe you're confused about my issues with AS. I've made no complaints about down time not being posted. I knew it was posted. I was just suggesting that they include some time zone information so the international bidders that AS supports can get a quicker idea of when AS downtime is—no biggie.

What I WAS complaining about (and what I take serious issue to) is that AS makes NO mention that your bids will be placed upward to two hours early if you schedule a “snipe” within their scheduled downtime window. If I were AS I would just make a notice to snipers that this period of time is high risk and bids probably wont go through. Interestingly enough, it is stated as much in the FAQ—so why the heck aren’t they doing what they explicitly state they are doing? Also, AS makes NO reference to placing bids early due to forecasts of internet traffic. This traffic, incidentally, may or may not even be affecting the ebay auction you are involved with. These are the problems with the AS service I take issue with. To fix these problems all AS has to do is 1) Fix their literature or 2) do what they explicitly state they are doing, placing bids no matter what lead-time you give at the lead-time you give!

Puppy, I appreciate the help you give in these forums and the sheer amount of time you’ve spent in the community and the tools you graciously donate to us. I know you’re well meaning. However, to suggest to anyone that they should go somewhere else if they see a problem in a service they paid for is asinine. It is also detrimental to the quality of the service—believe it or not, I’m really trying to help AS here. I’ve not made rash or inflammatory statements. I’ve only stated the facts with my opinion of those facts. The fact is AS/Auctiva has a problem with how they are representing the operation of their service (i.e. they way the say it works isn’t the way it really works). This is also known as lying.

I don’t really know whether or not their motive for adjusting bid lead-times is to ensure they get paid during times when the risk of not being paid is high. Although I assume it is given they aren’t properly disclosing that they do adjust times and they have not responded to my assertions. If you don’t see a company making changes in their service that directly affects how their customers’ money is spent WITHOUT telling their customers as a bad thing, then keep on supporting this kind of behavior in Auctiva. If you do see a problem with it I think your voice on the matter might help. After they disclose this properly, anything else (like giving the user a choice whether or not to let AS tweak bid-times) is icing on the cake. I’m not asking you to give up winning at all costs, I’m asking AS to openly state that their service is directed at making the purchase and getting your bid out there at all costs.

PB
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I think it's great you want to win at any cost.
Who said that... not me. I have my max just like you should, and it's usually at the low end of the range. If I get outbid, so be it. At least if my bid is placed I have a chance of winning. I'd MUCH rather my bid be placed early than not at all.

I do agree, and always have, that AS needs to be more up front about how things work. They need to add to the FAQ's about bid timing adjustments, I just don't harp on it as much. Doing away with those adjustments would be a mistake and is not an option reguardless of what you/I/we think.

Also, please see my edit above.

You've worn me out... Moving on... Smile
Hi,

Very new to the service and VERY,VERY,VERY pi***ed off!!! What a disappointment to learn that at every turn it is "buyer beware". At every turn there is yet another unethical,dishonest, con-artist/s pulling themselves up the ladder of unashamed capitalist greed via other people's boot straps.

No real surprise that my latest encounter with this phenomenon eminates from the "land of the brave and the home of the "free-for-all" (this may be a uniquely Australian expression which requires translation; it means a lawless melee).

After all, they have a government who stole the election through disenfranchising an entire sector of the Florida community - mostly blacks, instigated a globally devasting war in Iraq, in the name of that great US ideal "democracy" (a cover for the real agenda -control of the the world's dwindling oil resreves), on the basis of a fabric of lies rergarding "weapons of mass destruction", ignoring the fact that the majority of Americans opposed the war and, who are now busy interfering in the domestic politics and democratic process of Australia's forthcoming Federal election.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, George W doesn't like the fact that our Labor opposition party who looks set to win our forthcoming Federal election plans to withdraw our troops from Iraq before Xmas. Consequently, senior Whitehouse officials are busy commentating on Australia's foreign policy in an attempt to influence the result of our election. An unhitherto seen phenomenon in this country.

The US's disregard for and interference in other countries democratic processes is a matter of historical record. Such obvious contempt for our autonomy and democracy is a new phenomenon in Australia. And one which is guaranteed to backfire.

And what the hell does all of this have to do with AS I hear you ask? Well, plenty.

Then there is little old me, just an ordinary, small time, ebay punter who stumbles across a service which looks like a good idea. I avail myself of the "free snipes" lure and have a wonderful time of it watching my snipes be placed exactly on time as I had dictated (ie: 5 seconds lead) and winning. Bloody brilliant! I'll join.

The minute I put my credit card details on the line I find that AS is costing me money. Well, I expected it too. They told me in their literature what it was going to cost me. Quite reasonable I thought. What I didn't expect was quite how much it was going to cost me as their early bidding pushed up the price of my purchases, consistently. They (clearly deliberately) didn't tell that the minute my credit card was in their system they would consistently (5 times so far) place my bid 26 - 29 seconds before the auction ended. Thus ensuring a bidding war which inflated my winning price (oh yes, I won) and consequently, greater profits to them.

In my naivete, after the first instance of this, I duly sent off my questions to customer support as to why this happened and promptly got the (clearly standard) response regarding monitoring of ebay processing times/delays etc, etc.Interestingly, when I replied to their response, asking some more detailed and more comlpex questions about the transaction I got no response. I'm still waiting. I don't think I'll bother asking so called "customer support" to explain their late bids on all my other auctions. It's very clear to me what's going on.

Fascinating, how a supposedly sophisticated system such as AS, specifically designed to place auction snipes at the last second, has to consistently place my bids 26 to 29 seconds in advance when my requested lead time is 5. My competitors are able to place theirs 6 seconds before auction end with no trouble at all. Clearly no great system slow dowm for them. Guess the AS system ain't that sophisticated after all!

Actually, this isn't entirely accurate. It is sophisticated. It's yet another sophisticated con for ripping people off. I can't help but wonder if AS has business links with ebay? How sweet it is! Listen to the cash registers tinkle. AS wins, ebay wins, seller wins. Everyone except the poor old punter is happy.

If I wanted to place a bid 38 minutes, 29 seconds or 26 second prior to an auction end thus ensuring a bidding war, I can do this myself without paying anyone else for the privilege.

The only value of the AS service to me and what I thought I was buying, is exactly what they advertise, that is an automated service that will place a bid when I am not able to be at my computer at a time I have dictated. There was nothing said about manipulating the timing of the bid I requested anywhere in their speil.

I absolutely agree with "pallbearers" posting of July 07 2004 10.31am. I think you are remarkably smart, articulate and very measured in your response to what is going on with this so called service/product we are paying for.

Sadly however, I think all your well meaning energies are wasted here. It is no co-incidence that these issues are not responded to with a sincere customer service approach to resolution (by Sarah or anybody else). Evasion and obfuscation is the key to this business continuing to make lots of money. It is designed to rip off the naive and unwary. And it doesn't even matter if those of us who have figured it out no longer give this mob our business. There are billions of us suckers out here in cyberspace ready to be exploited.

See, we come from a different experience and tradition of business practice and ethics. The one I'm used to operates on the basis that a business should supply the product it advertises and, if there is a fault or problem with that product, every effort will be made to rectify the problem, thus ensuring ongoing customer loayalty.

Out here in cyberspace, customer loyalty doesn't matter. There are billions of us to exploit and a quick few millions to be made in the so doing. With the marketing techniques this mob employ there will always be fresh meat. Mind you, it's a very short sighted business practice if you want to build a real business which has longevity.

Out here in cyberspace, surfing with the new generation of virtual entrepreneurs is clearly as dangerous as surfing was in the shark infested waters of the Gold Coast beaches I grew up on.

Don't waste your time trying to resolve issues which will never be resolved no matter how much you ask, cajole, entreat, beg.

The unsatisfactory matters regarding their service/product which you are asking to be addressed and resolved are the very key to the profit generating core of their business.

You are asking them to come clean on the con which they use (devolped in some think tank exercise or over a few lines of coke) to reel in custom so they can rip them off. Ain't gonna happen. Don't waste your money making a millionare of yet another souless, morally bankrupt Silicon Valley cybergeek. Don't pay him to do what you could do much better yourself for free.

Suggestion - pay a competent, unemployed friend to monitor the auctions you can't. You'll create employment "in your neck of the woods", help out a mate and save a heap of money compared to what this lot cost us in creating bidding wars to improve their profit margin.

And the connection to George W? Well, he's the US's elder statesman who actions stands as the example to all citizens of that great capitalist "democracy" and reflects their priorities to the rest of the world. And following his lead (and that of his forefathers)there is no lie, deception, or manipulation which will not be employed in the service of the one and only true god held dear by the world's leading capitalist "democracy" - money and power.

You live and continue to learn.

Wishing you ordinary punters all the best for your survival in the shark infested waters of the most base human of conduct.

Cheers

(I warned you at the beginning I was pi***ed off)
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