why I was outbid?

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If you would be so kind as to furnish us with the auction #, someone will be glad to help you! Thanks!

...how about a BDA on this <<LISTING>> It might make the proxy explanation easier?

Jabbergah                                                  

...is, you were outbid because someone was willing to pay more than you. In this case, AuctionSniper would not have changed matters. The one that BIDS THE MOST ALWAYS WINS.

Jabbergah                                                  

The following table has been reorganized and sorted into date order.  First
bid placed is line #1.  That should make it easier to follow the auction.
Two additional columns have been calculated and added.  They are the current 
bid and high bidder, as displayed on eBay after each bid is placed.        v2.1.08
* = Winning bid. (may be less than actual maximum entered.)
 
                  Max                        Current Winning
 #    BIDDER      Bid      Day & Time         Bid  &  Bidder
                 (US $)
  1   jasmin     150.00   03-Mar  19:51:05   150.00   jasmin    
  2   jasmin     170.00   09-Mar  07:05:22   150.00   jasmin    
  3   bwillia   *202.50   09-Mar  07:05:28   172.50   bwillia     
  4   jasmin     200.00   09-Mar  07:05:43   202.50   bwillia     
        End               09-Mar  07:05:47              

eBays bid history is in bid amount order. The above table is in time order.

jasmin placed an initial bid at the minimum amount on the third.

Near auction end, jasmin thought it wise to increase that amount to 170.

A few seconds later bwillia placed a bid for 202.50 (or more) and took the lead.

jasmin appears to have sniped or saw this bid and attempted to win by bidding 200, but failed to beat bwillia's max.

Thanks guys!

Thank you for your comments. On the first sight this seems to be the true, but actualy is curious that the amount of 202.5, which seems to be a snipping of my 200 amount is registred before my 200 offer. I don't think that my competitor was so inspired to put 202.5 just because he thaught I will bid 200.

Thank you for your comments.

Regards,

Cristian

Bwillia only entered one bid, at 7:05:28. All we can tell about it is that the amount was 202.50 or greater. It probably was more, but there's no way to know. Ebay hides the true amount everyone bids, and only shows what it needs to decide who wins. Bwillia might have bid $300, or $500, or $210. Since your bids were lower than that, ebay's computers automatically compared the two bids, and raised bwillias bid just enough to beat your bid.

The reason the winning bid is exactly $2.50 more than your maximum is because that's the "bid increment" that ebay uses -- that's the amount that it uses to raise the bids, a little bit at a time, until one or the other wins. If Bwillia had bid $250 and you bid $210, Bwillia would win for $212.50.

The reason the time is out of order is that ebay shows you the time when Bwillia actually entered his/her bid, not when ebay's computers raise it against yours. When you use ebay's proxy system, you enter your maximum bid, then you sit back and let ebay do the rest.

Your other question was "Would I have won if I had used Auction Sniper"? and the answer is probably no. The only thing Auction Sniper does is hold your bid until the last few seconds before the end of the auction. You still have to be the highest bid to win. When Bwillia placed his bid, the maximum bid showing was $150. He had no way of knowing how much more than that you had bid. And yet he bid very high. If you had put in a snipe for $200, you still would have lost, since his maximum bid was more than that.

Does that make sense? If not, you might try reading ebay's Help sections on Proxy Bidding and Bid Increments. That's where your answers are.

I am posting this question as a reply here, because the board won't let me post a new topic. Can someone please explain to me why the final bidder doesn't show up on the list when they first would've bid????? I know ebay bids incrementally for you, but I can't figure out why their first bid doesn't show up. I was second place. I hope this question makes sense HELP!! I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD TILL NOW.
AUCTION NUMBER 3719507600

just to be clearer. What I mean is since this person obviously bid a higher bid EARLIER than me, why doesn't their first, lower incremental bid show up. Why does their name not appear on the list until the very end?

Only one bid shows up for each bid placed. Those auctions where there are multiple bids by the same person, there were more than one bid placed with a higher maximum each time.

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Why does their name not appear on the list until the very end?

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eBay lists their bid history in AMOUNT order. eBay does not bid again for you, it simply raises the amount to stay in the lead. Here is the auction listed in DATE order.

The following table has been reorganized and sorted into date order.  First
bid placed is line #1.  That should make it easier to follow the auction.
Two additional columns have been calculated and added.  They are the current 
bid and high bidder, as displayed on eBay after each bid is placed.        v2.1.08
* = Winning bid. (may be less than actual maximum entered.)
 
                      Max                        Current Winning
  #    Bidder         Bid      Day & Time         Bid  &  Bidder
                    (US $)
  1   sanctuarydog   34.95   22-Apr  16:26:54    34.95   sanctuarydog 
  2   bekfla         36.00   22-Apr  17:52:18    35.95   bekfla       
  3   macmary7079  *159.90   23-Apr  05:48:33    37.00   macmary7079  
  4   naz199         65.01   26-Apr  19:51:51    66.01   macmary7079  
  5   mbryanfreema   71.71   26-Apr  20:23:34    72.71   macmary7079  
  6   black*horse    73.71   27-Apr  14:52:09    74.71   macmary7079  
  7   msdeaconoell   81.00   29-Apr  22:33:51    82.00   macmary7079  
  8   msdeaconoell   96.00   30-Apr  18:15:41    97.00   macmary7079  
  9   rxgary         99.00   30-Apr  21:57:10   100.00   macmary7079  
 10   diamondjane6  130.00   01-May  18:50:52   132.50   macmary7079  
 11   caryalecsmom  157.40   01-May  19:14:44   159.90   macmary7079  
        End                  01-May  19:15:00              

You should be able to start a new topic using the tab.

The new tab wasn't working. On two computers.

But I still don't understand why the winners first 37.00 bid doesn't appear on the list, when they first bid. The 37.00 was higher than the previous 35.95. If I'd checked the auction then would I have seen the 37.00 bid on the list? That's what I don't understand. Example: When I bid for something, even though I have a higher max entered in than I need at that moment, it lists my "getting in" bid. (And in my opinion, it also drives up the price, which is why I snipe!). Why isn't their "getting in" bid listed in the order? Does that make sense? I don't know how to make it clearer.

By the way, when I say "appear", I'm talking about the bid history you see when you click on it after the auction ends. It only showed the winner's winning bid on that list.

When you bid, eBay holds the remainder of your bid as a proxy, until such time as another person's higher bid raises your proxy. It only registers your bid once, rather than listing it as multiple bid amounts, because you only bid one time.

For example, if on Tuesday person A bids $70 on an item and on Wednesday person B bids $95 on the same item, at the end of the auction, person A's bid amount will show as $70, since his full amount was used, and person B's amount will show as $71, since that is all that was needed. But if person C comes along on Thursday and bids $110, then B's single, earlier bid from Wednesday will show as $100, since his full amount was used. There will NOT be one bid listed for $71 on Wednesday and another for $100 on Thursday; there will be simply be the single bid by B on Wednesday, because that was the only time he bid.

The only way that B could have his name listed multiple times with multiple bid amounts would be for him to come back more times and bid a higher amount each time, rather than one large single bid.

I hope that helped.

I totally understand your answer, and I understand ebay holds the "remainder" of your bid. But the word "remainder" is what I'm still stuck on. I must sound very dense, but: Shouldn't there just be TWO listings by the winner in my auction: the winning bid, but also the one when they FIRST bid (when ebay was holding the "remainder" for them, in case it's needed) but as far as anyone else knows, the price has only gone up ONE increment)? If not, then wouldn't that mean the CURRENT high bid listed on an ongoing auction is not accurate? I seem to recall that before AS, I would bid with a higher max, but ebay would still show my name with one increment higher on the price? (and I'd be guilty of driving the price up?) It's a rude awakening to have a master's degree and think you understood something, only to find out you don't. If you could please read decipher my confusion and find the part of my question that's still bugging me-- I would be so grateful.

IN other words... when the price was at 35.95, the price wasn't REALLY at 35.95?????? It was REALLY at 37.00? In other words...When you place a bid and give a higher max, NO ONE KNOWS you're even in the race until the end and you haven't driven up the price? In other words, had I checked this auction at 05:48:33 or just after, I would've not seen a 37.00 bid??????? In other words, why use AS if your presence is a secret and you haven't driven up the price by AT LEAST one increment?

Congratulations!!!! Isn't it great when the light bulb goes on? Unfortunately, mine keep burning out

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In other words, why use AS if your presence is a secret and you haven't driven up the price by AT LEAST one increment?

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Note my table above. The winner DID increase the price by one bid increment. Pay particular attention to the bid amounts and winner. Compare the max bid to the current bid (price). You'll see the current bid is always one increment above each persons max bid after line 3 when the winner placed his/her bid.

Ooops! Yet another post where I miss something pertinent!

You use AS to avoid the whole bidding war scenario. Sniping prevents others from having enough time to wear away at your max bid.

If you bid the maximum you wanted to on the auction then what difference does it make if you don't outbid someone else??? Evidently they are willing and able to pay more than you and you should be thankful you weren't left holding the bag for something you wanted at far more than you wanted to pay.

Puppyraiser, I studied your table intently and yes, I see the 37.00 increment on there. But when I clicked on the auction in my browser, after it was all over, to see what had happened, the only time the winner's name appears is at the end with the winning bid. If their 37.00 dollar bid drove the price up by one increment, why isn't that on the list I see on the bid history (not your table, the one I see when I click on the auction--which has less information than yours)?

And so can the bid history actually change what it says during the course of the auction and show something different after it's over than what it might've shown at various points during the auction? If the answer is yes, that's what I've been trying to ask and then I understand and will stop this insanity and sleep at night.

Let's see if I can explain it ...

Auction starts off at $10.00.

You place a bid for $20.00. eBay will show your bid as $10.00

Someone else bids at $15.00. eBay will now show your bid as $16.00 (assuming a $1.00 bid increment)

Someone else bids $25.00. eBay will show your bid as $20.00 (your max amount)

You bid again, this time at $30.00. eBay will show two bids from you - the $20.00 original one, and one for $26.00 ($1.00 more than the previous high bid of $25.00).

This bidding 'war' is what sniping trys to avoid. In many cases, the other bidder would have placed thier $15.00 bid, then you would have swooped in at the last second (ok, last few seconds) and bid your $20.00, hopefully not giving the other bidder the opportunity to place their $25.00 bid, which would have won it for you at $16.00 instead of the $26.00 in the example.

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the only time the winner's name appears is at the end with the winning bid.

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Wrong. Look at the day and time of their bid. Their ID was in the bid history ever since Apr 23rd at 05:48:33. Their ID also had been listed as the current winner on the auctions main page since that day and time.

eBay does not bid 'again' for you. eBay raises your bid to stay in the lead (until your max is reached)

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You place a bid for $20.00. eBay will show your bid as $10.00

That's what I'm asking: if ebay will SHOW THAT bid at 10.00 in your hypothetical, why doesn't that first 37.00 (with a higher max hidden by ebay) bid SHOW up on the bid history? During an auction, ebay shows each bid amount (or what's needed from the bidder's bid max) as the come in, don't they????????????

Never mind. I get it. I was never able to ask the question properly in a way that anyone gets what I'm asking, and for this I will be eternally shamed, but I think I get it. Ebay's history DURING AN AUCTION doesn't show a list of bid amounts. There's a blank line through that. It just shows you who's bid and who's on top, with the going price from that bidder on the main page. I got the complicated stuff. It was the simple thing that eluded me.
Everyone have a drink. I know I will. THANKS.

Ahhhh ... my bottle of Patron Silver is empty Guess I'll have to settle for coffee, or worse ... water!

I'm late to this topic, but just want to note that since Puppy added the "End" line to his bid analysis program, I can't think of any further enhancements! It's "perfect" as far as I'm concerned!

Jabber !!

Thank You !!

You've been missed.

Only thing I can think of to add is a column for bid increment or next min bid... but don't want to get carried away. I still believe there is such a thing as 'to much' information.