please, look to these item # 2977883934 bids of ebay user 'paddockwray': it looks to me he's bidding against itself (or trying to pull up the price?)... in the end AS let me win, but for some more plus money
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Hi and Welcome Stefan 
I have looked at the bids and that users feedback and I would hazard a guess that they are legit.
Also, the duplicate bids you are seeing is their proxy bid upping to outbid someone. You CANT up the bid by bidding against yourself to run the price up
Lexie
I have looked at the bids and that users feedback and I would hazard a guess that they are legit.
Also, the duplicate bids you are seeing is their proxy bid upping to outbid someone. You CANT up the bid by bidding against yourself to run the price up
Lexie
to our forum! I also looked and totally agree with Bartelby. And I think AS did not LET you win, but placed for you the snipe you entered, correct?
stefan0n,
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I don't disagree, but it does look a bit strange. Out of 16 auctions, 12 are with this same seller, all with the same ending day. The seller has 0 feedback. Also, one of those 12 auctions was for a motorcycle, and the rest were cameras. I'm not saying anything is wrong. Just making an observation.
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I don't disagree, but it does look a bit strange. Out of 16 auctions, 12 are with this same seller, all with the same ending day. The seller has 0 feedback. Also, one of those 12 auctions was for a motorcycle, and the rest were cameras. I'm not saying anything is wrong. Just making an observation.
Thank you very much for your welcome!
There are so much I don't understand yet... how the bidding 'process' works. So from you words, if I using the eBay proxy post a max. of 100$ bid, and the current amount is at 50$, if you then try to bid 75$ you cant, and ebay proxy put my byd at 75$? right? so it records multiple consecutive bids from me?
bye!
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Originally posted by Bartelby:
Hi and Welcome Stefan
I have looked at the bids and that users feedback and I would hazard a guess that they are legit.
Also, the duplicate bids you are seeing is their proxy bid upping to outbid someone. You CANT up the bid by bidding against yourself to run the price up
There are so much I don't understand yet... how the bidding 'process' works. So from you words, if I using the eBay proxy post a max. of 100$ bid, and the current amount is at 50$, if you then try to bid 75$ you cant, and ebay proxy put my byd at 75$? right? so it records multiple consecutive bids from me?
bye!
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Originally posted by Mrs.M:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/421255/wel_ani3Tay.gif to our forum!
Thank you to all! you're very nice!
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I also looked and totally agree with Bartelby. And I think AS did not LET you win, but placed for you the snipe you entered, correct?
Yes, correct. ...my english is really bad, I know
stefan0n,
If your German is any better, Mrs. M might be willing to help you in that language?
If your German is any better, Mrs. M might be willing to help you in that language?
Your English look fine! I didn't realize you spoke another language!!
I would be happy, but I understood the English with no problem!
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Originally posted by Rick:
stefan0n,
If your German is any better, Mrs. M might be willing to help you in that language?
no no! my language is italian, I don't understand a word of German, sorry!For your message about strange bid: the same multiple items seller was offering all his Canon pro photo gear, as he's going to use Nikon for work. At least this is what he said.
Non parlo l'italiano, ma può dico "il Benvenuto al nostro foro"!
Lol, if I didn't get that right, I am probably in trouble!
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So from you words, if I using the eBay proxy post a max. of 100$ bid, and the current amount is at 50$, if you then try to bid 75$ you cant, and ebay proxy put my byd at 75$? right? so it records multiple consecutive bids from me?
Thats correct, only your name will show on the bidding history as I was never the highest bidder.
If on the other hand, the bid was $50, you had a proxy of $75 with Ebay and then I came in and put a proxy for $75.15...the history would show the $50 bid, your $75 bid and my $75.15 bid...then if you had a snipe of $100, you would snipe and win for $76.15 (I am not really that good at this kind of thing - Jabber and Puppy are much more eloquent).
If you look through the recent posts you will find heaps of information about sniping v's manual bidding.
Lexie
Stefan... Welcome to the forum.
I also think the bidding is OK.
>> Click Here << to see the bidding for your auction. You hinted you may not understand the bidding.
Note the bidding is in amount order, not date order. Looking at the bids in DATE order may help you to understand better.
paddockwray....GBP 191.00 Jan-11-04 13:28:29 PST
stefan........ ....GBP 196.00 Jan-11-04 13:28:20 PST
paddockwray....GBP 176.00 Jan-08-04 15:01:19 PST
paddockwray....GBP 131.00 Jan-08-04 10:11:19 PST
paddockwray....GBP 101.00 Jan-08-04 10:11:05 PST
paddockwray....GBP _91.00 Jan-08-04 10:10:50 PST
tixure_usa........GBP 120.00 Jan-07-04 09:46:15 PST
devisu.............GBP __1.00 Jan-07-04 09:16:47 PST
paddock's first three bids (all within one minuet) was to try and beat tixure. After 5 hours thinking about it, he decided he may get outbid by tixture, so raised his bid to 176.
Paddock is also a sniper. And may snipe manually. When your bid went to eBay, that put you in the lead, (price 181) so 9 sec later paddock bid 191 in an attempt to beat your bid. If you would have placed your bid earlier, paddock would have had time to bid again and beat you.
Your English is much better than my Italian.... or German,French,Spanish,ect...
[This message was edited by Puppy Raiser on January 11, 2004 at 09:04 PM.]
I also think the bidding is OK.
>> Click Here << to see the bidding for your auction. You hinted you may not understand the bidding.
Note the bidding is in amount order, not date order. Looking at the bids in DATE order may help you to understand better.
paddockwray....GBP 191.00 Jan-11-04 13:28:29 PST
stefan........ ....GBP 196.00 Jan-11-04 13:28:20 PST
paddockwray....GBP 176.00 Jan-08-04 15:01:19 PST
paddockwray....GBP 131.00 Jan-08-04 10:11:19 PST
paddockwray....GBP 101.00 Jan-08-04 10:11:05 PST
paddockwray....GBP _91.00 Jan-08-04 10:10:50 PST
tixure_usa........GBP 120.00 Jan-07-04 09:46:15 PST
devisu.............GBP __1.00 Jan-07-04 09:16:47 PST
paddock's first three bids (all within one minuet) was to try and beat tixure. After 5 hours thinking about it, he decided he may get outbid by tixture, so raised his bid to 176.
Paddock is also a sniper. And may snipe manually. When your bid went to eBay, that put you in the lead, (price 181) so 9 sec later paddock bid 191 in an attempt to beat your bid. If you would have placed your bid earlier, paddock would have had time to bid again and beat you.
Your English is much better than my Italian.
... or German,French,Spanish,ect... [This message was edited by Puppy Raiser on January 11, 2004 at 09:04 PM.]
Puppy posted before I got mine posted! Well, I'm still posting it! Much of it is a repeat of Puppy's post, so those not really interested can skip it....
Bid analysis! Storytime!
Haven’t done this in a while, so WHY NOT?!
Once upon a time there was a widget offered in a 5-day ebay auction #2977883934 scheduled to end Jan-11-04 13:28:34. While it really little difference for purposes of the review, all auction currency amounts are in GBP. The opening bid was 1.00 GBP. The bid increments for GBP are different than those for the USA$. They can be found under help at www.ebay.co.uk. Auction bid history is as follows (with some ID abbrev.s):
stefan...............196.00..........Jan-11-04 13:28:20
paddock............191.00..........Jan-11-04 13:28:29
paddock............176.00..........Jan-08-04 15:01:19
paddock............131.00..........Jan-08-04 10:11:19
tixure.................120.00..........Jan-07-04 09:46:15
paddock............101.00..........Jan-08-04 10:11:05
paddock..............91.00..........Jan-08-04 10:10:50
dgmott.................50.00..........Jan-08-04 09:52:51
devisu....................1.00..........Jan-07-04 09:16:47
About 4 days before the end of the auction, devisu places the very first bid of 1.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 1 bid placed, the winning bid at 1.00, and devisu as the winning bidder.
About 30 minutes after that bid, tixure places a bid for 120.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 2 bids placed, the winning bid is at 1.20 (one bid increment above devisu’s bid), and tixure is the winning bidder.
On day #3 before the end of the auction, the following bid action happens:
- dgmott places a 50.00 bid. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 3 bids placed, the winning bid at 51.00, and tixure still as the winning bidder.
- about 18 minutes later, paddock places a bid for 91.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 4 bids placed, the winning bid at 93.00, and tixure still as the winning bidder.
- about 15 seconds later, paddock places a bid for 101.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 5 bids placed, the winning bid at 103.00, and tixure still as the winning bidder.
- about 14 seconds later, paddock places a bid for 131.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 6 bids placed, the winning bid at 122.00, and paddock as the new winning bidder.
Maybe paddock thought about it, maybe did some research, maybe was concerned about being outbid – whatever reason – about 5 hours after his last bid and also in spite of holding the current winning bid, paddock places ANOTHER bid for 176.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 7 bids placed, the winning bid still at 122.00, and paddock still as the winning bidder.
After all this bid activity, the bidding pauses until the last minute of the auction!
Then, 14 seconds before the end of the auction, stefan places a bid (via AuctionSnipper) for AT LEAST 196.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 8 bids placed, the winning bid at 181.00, and stefan as the new winning bidder.
It appears that paddock may have been sitting at his computer, and saw he was outbid! Just 5 seconds before the end of the auction, paddock places a bid for 191.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 9 bids placed, the winning bid at 196.00, and stefan still as the winning bidder.
And that’s how the auction ends.
As the bidding goes, it is fairly straight forward. The only bid that is even REMOTELY odd, but not really, is paddock’s bid of 176.00 while still holding the current winning bid of 120.00 with 131.00 held in proxy. Paddock just probably got a little nervous, and figured the lower bid would be outbid. I don’t think the bid pattern looks suspicious, or suggests shill bidding.
"...and they lived happily ever after!"...unless they were ANYBODY but stefan!
Jabbergah
Bid analysis! Storytime!
Haven’t done this in a while, so WHY NOT?!
Once upon a time there was a widget offered in a 5-day ebay auction #2977883934 scheduled to end Jan-11-04 13:28:34. While it really little difference for purposes of the review, all auction currency amounts are in GBP. The opening bid was 1.00 GBP. The bid increments for GBP are different than those for the USA$. They can be found under help at www.ebay.co.uk. Auction bid history is as follows (with some ID abbrev.s):
stefan...............196.00..........Jan-11-04 13:28:20
paddock............191.00..........Jan-11-04 13:28:29
paddock............176.00..........Jan-08-04 15:01:19
paddock............131.00..........Jan-08-04 10:11:19
tixure.................120.00..........Jan-07-04 09:46:15
paddock............101.00..........Jan-08-04 10:11:05
paddock..............91.00..........Jan-08-04 10:10:50
dgmott.................50.00..........Jan-08-04 09:52:51
devisu....................1.00..........Jan-07-04 09:16:47
About 4 days before the end of the auction, devisu places the very first bid of 1.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 1 bid placed, the winning bid at 1.00, and devisu as the winning bidder.
About 30 minutes after that bid, tixure places a bid for 120.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 2 bids placed, the winning bid is at 1.20 (one bid increment above devisu’s bid), and tixure is the winning bidder.
On day #3 before the end of the auction, the following bid action happens:
- dgmott places a 50.00 bid. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 3 bids placed, the winning bid at 51.00, and tixure still as the winning bidder.
- about 18 minutes later, paddock places a bid for 91.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 4 bids placed, the winning bid at 93.00, and tixure still as the winning bidder.
- about 15 seconds later, paddock places a bid for 101.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 5 bids placed, the winning bid at 103.00, and tixure still as the winning bidder.
- about 14 seconds later, paddock places a bid for 131.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 6 bids placed, the winning bid at 122.00, and paddock as the new winning bidder.
Maybe paddock thought about it, maybe did some research, maybe was concerned about being outbid – whatever reason – about 5 hours after his last bid and also in spite of holding the current winning bid, paddock places ANOTHER bid for 176.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 7 bids placed, the winning bid still at 122.00, and paddock still as the winning bidder.
After all this bid activity, the bidding pauses until the last minute of the auction!
Then, 14 seconds before the end of the auction, stefan places a bid (via AuctionSnipper) for AT LEAST 196.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 8 bids placed, the winning bid at 181.00, and stefan as the new winning bidder.
It appears that paddock may have been sitting at his computer, and saw he was outbid! Just 5 seconds before the end of the auction, paddock places a bid for 191.00. If you look at the auction screen at this point, it shows 9 bids placed, the winning bid at 196.00, and stefan still as the winning bidder.
And that’s how the auction ends.
As the bidding goes, it is fairly straight forward. The only bid that is even REMOTELY odd, but not really, is paddock’s bid of 176.00 while still holding the current winning bid of 120.00 with 131.00 held in proxy. Paddock just probably got a little nervous, and figured the lower bid would be outbid. I don’t think the bid pattern looks suspicious, or suggests shill bidding.
"...and they lived happily ever after!"...unless they were ANYBODY but stefan!
Jabbergah
LOL !! Jabber I waited, and waited.
Well, yeah, Puppy. Look how long it is! Takes time to type all that!
I DO like your idea of listing bids in chronological order & linking to the actual bid list.
Jabbergah
I DO like your idea of listing bids in chronological order & linking to the actual bid list.
Jabbergah
I wish there was an eaisier way to make columns straight 
I'll think on that a bit.
I'll think on that a bit.
Jabber, what do you think of this? I liked your adding price and winner info !
[This message was edited by Puppy Raiser on January 11, 2004 at 10:59 PM.]
bid date time price winner
paddockwray GBP 191.00 Jan-11 13:28:29 196.00 stefan
stefan GBP *196.00 Jan-11 13:28:20 181.00 stefan
paddockwray GBP 176.00 Jan-08 15:01:19 122.00 paddock
paddockwray GBP 131.00 Jan-08 10:11:19 122.00 paddock
paddockwray GBP 101.00 Jan-08 10:11:05 103.00 tixure
paddockwray GBP 91.00 Jan-08 10:10:50 93.00 tixure
tixure_usa GBP 120.00 Jan-07 09:46:15 1.20 tixure
devisu GBP 1.00 Jan-07 09:16:47 1.00 devisu
*bid is 196 or more [This message was edited by Puppy Raiser on January 11, 2004 at 10:59 PM.]
Dont even know why I bother with my piddly scribblings 
Lexie
Lexie
Are you still about?
Lexie
Lexie
Hi Lexie !
Hi Puppy are you up late?
I am still at work and its 6pm
Lexie
I am still at work and its 6pm
Lexie
2 am here. Lost track of time.
Easy for me to do when I'm trying to figure something out.
Easy for me to do when I'm trying to figure something out.
I want to go home to my boy, do you have to wake up early tomorrow?
Lexie
Lexie
Will have to get up to let the dog out, but will rush back to my warm bed.
Don't punch a time clock anymore, so my schedule is pretty flexible. I usually get up early, but not tomarrow! ... make that later today !
Don't punch a time clock anymore, so my schedule is pretty flexible. I usually get up early, but not tomarrow! ... make that later today !
Mine is very flexible too - I have a great boss who knows he cant do without me, so he HAS to be flexible.
Sometimes I just have to work back though, if it means working back so I can have an extra day off, so be it.
Tyler is a much tougher boss!!
Lexie
Sometimes I just have to work back though, if it means working back so I can have an extra day off, so be it.
Tyler is a much tougher boss!!
Lexie
I know how that can be.
I'll let you get back to work or get home. I've got to get some sleep... Catch you later today.
Night/Evening All.
I'll let you get back to work or get home. I've got to get some sleep... Catch you later today.
Night/Evening All.
Nite
Lexie
Lexie
Puppy,
Your data table is PHENOMONAL! It certain is much more concise than my efforts, and it is (at least to me) just as clear. I was thinking maybe the last 2 column headers maybe should be different? How difficult is it to stack headers?
Like maybe "Winning bid" instead of "price" or "Winning bidder" instead of "winner"? Alternatively or maybe in addition, a brief explanation describing what the last 2 columns are about may be necessary to help out newbies or others who don't spend as much time agonizing over bid histories as we do!
Regardless, your efforts are leaps forward ahead of my typing diarrhea-tribes!
So come clean -- how'd you get the nice pretty columns!
Jabbergah
Your data table is PHENOMONAL! It certain is much more concise than my efforts, and it is (at least to me) just as clear. I was thinking maybe the last 2 column headers maybe should be different? How difficult is it to stack headers?
Like maybe "Winning bid" instead of "price" or "Winning bidder" instead of "winner"? Alternatively or maybe in addition, a brief explanation describing what the last 2 columns are about may be necessary to help out newbies or others who don't spend as much time agonizing over bid histories as we do!
Regardless, your efforts are leaps forward ahead of my typing diarrhea-tribes! So come clean -- how'd you get the nice pretty columns!
Jabbergah
Sorry missed you - didn't stay up like Puppy.
BTW, we LIKE your piddly scribblings!
Jabbergah
- didn't stay up like Puppy.BTW, we LIKE your piddly scribblings!
Jabbergah
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Originally posted by Jabbergah:
So come clean -- how'd you get the nice pretty columns!
Using this UBBCode icon:
quote:
Originally posted by Jabbergah:
Your data table is PHENOMONAL!
I agree! Much easier then trying to use .'s
Thank you both. I liked it too. (I'll have to take a nap today though.)
I used MS word with courier font (all symbols same size) to construct. then just copy and paste into the . Code allows CRs and Spaces.
I used MS word with courier font (all symbols same size) to construct. then just copy and paste into the
. Code allows CRs and Spaces.
I don't think the [Code] UBBCode treats CR's any differently?
Maybe, maybe not. I forgot the forum allows space between paragraphs.
(edited)
Seems there is a limit of 4 CR. on the forum with no use of the CODE.
Using CODE there seems to be no limit.
Rick sorry about the edits.
[This message was edited by Puppy Raiser on January 12, 2004 at 09:15 AM.]
(edited)
Seems there is a limit of 4 CR. on the forum with no use of the CODE.
Using CODE there seems to be no limit.
Rick sorry about the edits.
[This message was edited by Puppy Raiser on January 12, 2004 at 09:15 AM.]
Good point.
6 CR's without :
6 CR's with :
That's correct. The forum strips out more then 3 blank lines without [Code].
6 CR's without
:6 CR's with
:That's correct. The forum strips out more then 3 blank lines without [Code].
Wow! I really find a friendly forum, and I'd learn something from your all answers, thanks a lot to all!
p.s.: and when I need some ebay item with german only decription I know who to ask for a translation! ciao a tutti!
p.s.: and when I need some ebay item with german only decription
I know who to ask for a translation! ciao a tutti!
Better?
Bidder Max Date Time Proxy High
bid bid bidder
paddockwray GBP 191.00 Jan-11 13:28:29 196.00 stefan0n
stefan0n GBP *196.00 Jan-11 13:28:20 181.00 stefan0n
paddockwray GBP 176.00 Jan-08 15:01:19 122.00 paddockwray
paddockwray GBP 131.00 Jan-08 10:11:19 122.00 paddockwray
paddockwray GBP 101.00 Jan-08 10:11:05 103.00 tixure_usa
paddockwray GBP 91.00 Jan-08 10:10:50 93.00 tixure_usa
dgmottram GBP 50.00 Jan-08 09:52:51 51.00 tixure_usa
tixure_usa GBP 120.00 Jan-07 09:46:15 1.20 tixure_usa
devisu GBP 1.00 Jan-07 09:16:47 1.00 devisu
* OR MORE
stefan0n. Do not wait for a question to come back and post. We talk about other things in the General area.