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I'm semi-confused as how AS is really that much different than just putting in the highest bid that you want right from the beginning. If you do this than if someone snipes or bids at the end and it is lower than you want to pay you still win the auction. Your bid essentially is at the last second b/c they will bid and ebay will automatically outbid them.

How is this better than just bidding in that manner, other than letting people know you are interested and have the highest bid? Does the sellar know your highest bid price so he can have a person come in and bid just below yours so that you still win but have to pay the highest price?

Then I could see the advantage...
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Joe,

"How is this better than just bidding in that manner, other than letting people know you are interested and have the highest bid?" - That's what we try to avoid - letting others (competition) know we have the highest bid

"Does the sellar know your highest bid price so he can have a person come in and bid just below yours so that you still win but have to pay the highest price?" - They don't know the highest price, but they can, and sometimes do, have another person up the price. They are called shills - against AS' rules, but that doesn't stop them.

Also, there's people that expose your high bid, then retract their bid. Still against AS' rules, but that doesn't stop them

We basically want to avoid or encourage bidding wars. We don't mind pay a fair price for auctions - we just don't want nibblers to run up our bids because they can't decide what an item is worth, and only want something because someone else wants it.
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Joe, the reality is that many eBay bidders simply do not bid their highest. In an attempt to get a deal, they lowball their bids, and then incrementally bid higher, a little at a time, when they see others outbidding them. BUT if there are no competing bids, then often they leave their bids low. That is where we come in.

For example, if Joe Blow bids $20 on an item and Joe Sixpack outbids him at $22, then often Joe Blow will increase his bid to $25. Then Joe Sixpack bidder increases to $27 and Joe Blow, in response, increases to $30. It becomes a cat and mouse game,until someone blinks. Sometimes people get annoyed that someone else is bidding against them for "their" item and the bids get way out of control, far more than they ever had planned to spend.

On the other hand, if Joe Blow bids $20 and no one else bids, he may well leave his bid as is. Then I come along and bid $35 at the last second, winning the item. Or, even if Joe Blow and Joe Sixpack were engaged in a bidding war and are nickel-and-diming each other up past the $35 mark, I may jolt both of them into sobriety when my $48 bid takes the prize, leaving them in the drunken dust.

Sniping usually works because of the element of surprise, and because it is in the nature of so many proxy bidders NOT to bid the most they are willing to pay, at least at the outset. Some of our snipe amounts would indeed be outbid if they were bid early in the auctions, but more often than not, we snipers lie in the grass, watching Rick's Regal Proxy Bidders fight over a prize that they will not win. Razz
Okay, I see the benefit now. Anyone have theories as to what happened on this auction?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2837245946&category=11483&rd=1

I just was curious and that is why I searched and found AS b/c I thought it was very odd that my EXACT high bid won, and that the next high bidder was right at the end and had 0 buys...

Did I get screwed? Do you think I would have won this cheaper using AS and the same high bid amount?
"I just was curious and that is why I searched and found AS b/c I thought it was very odd that my EXACT high bid won" - I think that was just luck, or lack of. robertson626 bided just enough to expose your high bid.

"and that the next high bidder was right at the end and had 0 buys" - Yes, but he sniped, and I've never heard of a shill sniping. They don't want to win, they want to nibble your price up. Also, he didn't have 0 buys, but not much feedback.

"Did I get screwed?" I don't see it that way. You had 5 different snipers that left 9 snipes in the last couple of minutes. It doesn't get that complicated with shills. That was a real auction, with real snipers. It can look like a "set-up", but that happens on ebay. That's why we snipe & that's why we use AS.

"Do you think I would have won this cheaper using AS and the same high bid amount?" - I think it would have cut down on snowleopards' and 1204roy's snipes, since they placed more then one. And, because of their snipes, roberson626 may have bided more then he was planning. No way to know for sure.

But, you are always better off sniping, and it much safer to have AS place your snipes.
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Originally posted by joe_cool_jr:
Okay, I see the benefit now. Anyone have theories as to what happened on this auction?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2837245946&category=11483&rd=1

I just was curious and that is why I searched and found AS b/c I thought it was very odd that my EXACT high bid won, and that the next high bidder was right at the end and had 0 buys...

Did I get screwed? Do you think I would have won this cheaper using AS and the same high bid amount?


Screwed? How could you get screwed??? You WON!!!!!

You were fortunate that your exact high bid won. The second-highest bidder bid $83 and your bid was sufficient, even if only barely. It is possible that the second place bidder used a sniping service, since his bid was so late in the auction. What is interesting is that most of the bidders in this auction appear to be relatively new eBay users, at least ij terms of their current user IDs. But notice how several proxy bidders kept bidding repeatedly, with each unsuccessful bid pushing the bid up further and further. Mad

Joe, we are indeed trying to get items cheaper, but part of the point is to WIN the blasted auction. To do this, snipers decide a max and do not go beyond that. This, as Rick says, is deciding what the item is worth to you (for business, monetary, sentimental, personal or whatever other reasons) and then sticking by that at the last minute. I personally don't give a hoot what other bidders do; I just want the item, period. I decide what I am willing to pay and I bid it. More often than not I do win it with AS, and for below my max bid. But even when it takes my max bid to the penny, as it did yours, I count myself lucky, because I got the item I wanted! In cases where I do not win because someone else bid higher, oh well, they obviously wanted the item more than I did. It will come around again. But I win 95% of my auctions and the few I lose are simply because I was outbid. Eek

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