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OK, two questions, actually.

I spent a couple of weeks bidding on an item that I needed for work which was usually priced $800.00- $1000.00. There was a lot of competition for similar items and I ended up purchasing off of ebay and not in an auction of any kind. (It turns out that I got a much better deal on a much better version of said item.)

One particular auction brought up a question; the seller was clearly a dealer (meaning retail hours) in the Central time zone. I bid $ 560.00 and won over a previous bid of $505.00 with an amount of $515.00 (exact numbers sketchy in my memory, but exact numbers aren't the point here). At two in the morning Central time, I was outbid with a new total around $570.00. Two minutes later, I got another e-mail stating that a bid was retracted, making me the current winner (because, the bidder stated "unable to contact seller" AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING?!) Then a couple of minutes later, the same bidder placed another bid that didn't beat my max bid. Obviously, they were trying to feel out my max bid. Near the end of the auction, I was beaten again, I won once more, then subsequently THAT bidder retracted their previous bid (to bring the total down) and finally won with a lower top price because her retraction let me temporarily win with my first, not second and higher bid. Got all that?

The question this brings up, is; What if I lost one auction because I am outbid, so I buy the same item on another auction. Then the bidder who outbid me on the first auction retracts their bid. Now I've won the same item on two auctions when I only need one and they're really expensive (meaning no way I'm buying two to prevent negative feedback.)

I assume the answer to this is that a bid is a bid until the end of the auction, right? Even though the bid retractions on this item were bogus, I would feel like I still have to stand by a bid even if another bidder doesn't. The problem is that a bid retraction is one thing, but reneging on an auction is another. SO IS IT OK TO RETRACT A BID ON AN AUCTION I'VE LOST BECAUSE I'VE WON THE SAME ITEM ON ANOTHER AUCTION? (whew!)

The second question is purely theoretical. The reason I looked up Auction Sniper is probably the same as everyone else's. I lost on an item that had only two bids for something like eight days, only to lose in the last seven seconds.

So what happens when everyone is using some kind of Auction Sniper-type device? Or more realistically, when two Auction Sniper users are competing for the same auction. I guess it becomes a kind of Meta-Ebay, doesn't it. Of course we'll beat everyone else to the punch, but it becomes a normal auction between the two Auction Sniper users, doesn't it.

Thanks,
cooper
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As if that wasn't enough of a rant. I was thinking about the times someone sniped an item from me on ebay. The first thing that came to mind was that at a live auction, the auctioneer won't finalize the auction without "checking the house" (going once...twice...)

Is it possible ebay may one day find it neccessary to do something to level the playing field between automated and non-automated bidding because there are so many bidders using Auction Sniper? Like ending auctions "sometime between 05:00 & 06:00 on the specified day ("get your bid in by 05:00" but they leave different amounts of lag time? Or maybe by then someone will have a service called Auction Sniper Sniper.

I guess that when the day comes that most ebay users are using Auction Sniper, you guys will have to let us know what you think from your private island in the Carribean.

thanks,
coop
OK, cooper, let's tackle your questions one at a time. Your first question is, "SO IS IT OK TO RETRACT A BID ON AN AUCTION I'VE LOST BECAUSE I'VE WON THE SAME ITEM ON ANOTHER AUCTION?"

Why would you want to retract a bid you placed in an auction that somebody else won? I'm afraid you've got me on this one. Confused

"What if two AS snipers go after the same item in a sort of meta-eBay showdown?" High bid wins, as always. That includes any proxy bids of record at the close of the auction -- both snipers could lose. There's a great deal of misdirected importance attached to getting in the last bid in an auction. Doesn't help much if an earlier bid was higher, does it? Wink
Steve:

I was making a point about a situation where I lost an auction to another bidder and so I ignored the outcome of that auction. Then I began to place bids on another auction for a similar item (and I only needed one). If I had won the second auction and not checked my e-mail about the winner retracting their winning bid (thus making me the winner again of the first auction) I might have won both auctions for different versions of the same item.
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Originally posted by cooper:
At two in the morning Central time, I was outbid with a new total around $570.00. Two minutes later, I got another e-mail stating that a bid was retracted, making me the current winner (because, the bidder stated "unable to contact seller" AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING?!) Then a couple of minutes later, the same bidder placed another bid that didn't beat my max bid. Obviously, they were trying to feel out my max bid. Near the end of the auction, I was beaten again, I won once more, then subsequently THAT bidder retracted their previous bid (to bring the total down) and finally won with a lower top price because her retraction let me temporarily win with my first, not second and higher bid. Got all that?


"Got all that?" - I'm not sure.

But, and I know this isn't your issue, aren't you a little concerned that you have a shill bidder on your hands?
Cooper, maybe I'm missing something here...

[initial thought follows!]

If the auction is over and the winner reneges, the seller can only offer it to the second highest bidder; the second highest bidder is not obligated to accept the terms.

[follow-up thought...and probably what you're *really* referring to!]

Now, if you're saying that *before* the auction was over, you had been outbid...so *then* you went looking for a similar item and bid on it elsewhere...and then the top bidder in the first auction retracted his bid, making you the high bidder in the end?!? (I think I'm following your train of thought here)

Anyway, to respond to that scenario...yes, you'd be obligated to fufill all transactions you won.

Your options would be:

1) to retract your bid from the first auction, so that you could go bidding elsewhere without fear of winning two identical items,

2) you could wait until the first auction was over before searching out other auctions,

3) you could go ahead and buy both and sell one on eBay Wink

I think it is usually pretty rare for folks to retract their bids...afterall, most would fear that this would look bad on their feedback sheet; I have to agree with the thought that if you had two retracted bids on the same auction, well, I would be suspicious that they were either trying to push up your bid (a no-no according to eBay) or trying to figure out what your max proxy bid was. I think I would be inclined to report the activity to eBay as it just doesn't sound right.

Happy sniping!

WarriorNun

"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning"
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You got it exactly...I know that was a complicated scenario, but yeah...I did send ebay a message regarding the retractions by two bidders. It was one of my first auctions, so I figured people did that all the time. Ebay just sent me a kind of cryptic and stockish email to the effect that they had investigated and taken appropriate action. Also yet ANOTHER bidder on that auction emailed me before the end offering positive feedback in exchange for retracting my (at the time) high bid because she said she had a high maximum and wasn't going to let it get away but could I save her some bucks anyway! Sheesh!

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