FYI
Just noticed that bid amounts are shown in the history BEFORE auction close at eBay.
Won't change my stratagy... you still don't know the leaders max.
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I always thought that hiding the bid amounts was silly; you know what the high bidder's current bid is and can (usually) figure out the lower bidder's top bid.
Interesting. Would seem to be embarrassing for a nibbler, but then a nibbler probably doesn’t get easily embarrassed. I see they removed the auction ending time for completed auctions on the bid history – itty-bitty bummer. Time for another version of the bid table?
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Time for another version of the bid table
I am not sure why, but I do not like the change. Why do you suppose they did it? I will not affect the way I snipe, but somehow it smells like it will raise auction prices in general. At the very least, one can see where unsucessful nibblers' high bids are, even when they are low in the pack.
What should be interesting is the impact this will have on people who swear that a particular winning bid NEVER appeared in the bid history, while the auction is in progress. Somehow the amount seems to call greater attention to the presence of bids.
What should be interesting is the impact this will have on people who swear that a particular winning bid NEVER appeared in the bid history, while the auction is in progress. Somehow the amount seems to call greater attention to the presence of bids.
Here’s a link from ebay:
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml#2004-08-23144342
That also contains a link to a discussion board.
The next item titled “***Updated: Bidding and Buy It Now Enhancements Pilot Program***” might impact AS.
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml#2004-08-23144342
That also contains a link to a discussion board.
The next item titled “***Updated: Bidding and Buy It Now Enhancements Pilot Program***” might impact AS.
Here’s something from that ebay discussion board that I hadn’t thought of:
There is one serious problem that needs to be solved fast:
The case where the high-bidder and the next underbidder have the SAME bid. The high bidder is high because he/she bid sooner. But anyone who sees that the two high bids are the SAME, now knows what the high bidder's highest bid is, because it's not one increment above the underbidder. This is very BAD for sellers, and for eBay too, since both lose money.
There is one serious problem that needs to be solved fast:
The case where the high-bidder and the next underbidder have the SAME bid. The high bidder is high because he/she bid sooner. But anyone who sees that the two high bids are the SAME, now knows what the high bidder's highest bid is, because it's not one increment above the underbidder. This is very BAD for sellers, and for eBay too, since both lose money.
It's not implemented on the UK yet - now I know, I get round it by looking up the item from the USA site. I never did see the point of hiding the bids so I think it's a good thing...
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quote:More assuring for snipers!! ...and they don't really have to be the same. As long as they are less than one increment apart, you can STILL tell the high bidder is at their max.
The case where the high-bidder and the next underbidder have the SAME bid.
quote:Seller COULD lose some bucks, but the only way this might happen is if two snipers bid, and at least one of them bid only an increment above instead of their real max. (which sometimes happened before the change) The losing sniper might soon learn to bid their max... then no harm done to the seller.
This is very BAD for sellers, and for eBay too, since both lose money.
ps Bid Table is back on the air.
Oh No... 
Dutch auctions have also changed. Check the new display of bid history in a dutch auction. You can't see what each person has bid. All bids are the same and show only the current price! Hope this is a bug, and not an 'enhancement'. How am I to figure how much/how many to bid for? 
Dutch auctions have also changed. Check the new display of bid history in a dutch auction. You can't see what each person has bid. All bids are the same and show only the current price!
Hope this is a bug, and not an 'enhancement'. How am I to figure how much/how many to bid for?
IMHO, we in this forum are NOT typical eBay bidders. We are far more into strategies and bid history analysis. We know from our sniping experience that the eBay world is full of nibblers and emotional bidders of every sort.
Somehow I suspect that marketers have convinced eBay that if nibblers are able to see the amounts of other bidders (even the low ones), they (nibblers) are more likely to bid higher amounts. This translates into higher end prices and higher eBay profits.
So much eBay bidding is based on emotion. ("That ^#&^@! is trying to outbid me for my widget? I"ll show him!") People often consider an item "theirs" before an auction even ends. These types of behaviors may be impacted by the recent chanes.
Somehow I suspect that marketers have convinced eBay that if nibblers are able to see the amounts of other bidders (even the low ones), they (nibblers) are more likely to bid higher amounts. This translates into higher end prices and higher eBay profits.
So much eBay bidding is based on emotion. ("That ^#&^@! is trying to outbid me for my widget? I"ll show him!") People often consider an item "theirs" before an auction even ends. These types of behaviors may be impacted by the recent chanes.
I personally don't feel the bid history change in the regular auctions will benefit the seller. I think people tend to bid more when they can't see everything. If they see a pattern, it may discourage them.
It's often been said on this forum, that the key to sniping is to decide the maximum amount one is willing to pay, and then place that amount as a snipe. Bid histories tend to influence me to bid a higher amount than I originally thought the item was worth, which makes me feel like an indecisive nibbler. With that said, I confess that I have yielded to the temptation to look at bid histories, and I also confess that I have even yielded to the temptation to increase my "maximum amount I'm willing to bid" based on another bidder's "track record".
My strategy consists of deciding on a lead-time for my snipe.
My strategy consists of deciding on a lead-time for my snipe.
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Originally posted by Rick:
It's often been said on this forum, that the key to sniping is to decide the maximum amount one is willing to pay, and then place that amount as a snipe. Bid histories tend to influence me to bid a higher amount than I originally thought the item was worth, which makes me feel like an indecisive nibbler. With that said, I confess that I have yielded to the temptation to look at bid histories, and I also confess that I have even yielded to the temptation to increase my "maximum amount I'm willing to bid" based on another bidder's "track record".
My strategy consists of deciding on a lead-time for my snipe.
And I expect that it is these very temptations that have prompted eBay to make the changes it has.
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Originally posted by Chatter:quote:
Originally posted by Rick:
It's often been said on this forum, that the key to sniping is to decide the maximum amount one is willing to pay, and then place that amount as a snipe. Bid histories tend to influence me to bid a higher amount than I originally thought the item was worth, which makes me feel like an indecisive nibbler. With that said, I confess that I have yielded to the temptation to look at bid histories, and I also confess that I have even yielded to the temptation to increase my "maximum amount I'm willing to bid" based on another bidder's "track record".
My strategy consists of deciding on a lead-time for my snipe.
And I expect that it is these very temptations that have prompted eBay to make the changes it has.
Good point.
After 3 repeats, I certainly got the point!!
quote:I count 2, but it such GOOD info.
Originally posted by Mrs.M:
After 3 repeats, I certainly got the point!!
Most things that Chatter posts are good information or at the least good thoughts! (Even if he wasn't the originator!) 
Thank you, Mrs. M, you are most kind. I tip my hat to you.
quote:I sure hope he is the originator of his own posts.
Originally posted by Mrs.M:
Most things that Chatter posts are good information or at the least good thoughts! (Even if he wasn't the originator!)
I’ve learned some things from him. I learned (pretty much) not to let others influence the amount of my bid. Decide the value of the item and the max you are willing to bid, and then place it as a snipe. Walk away and don’t change the amount. Probably best to give AS the snipe as soon as you see the auction, that way you’re less apt to be influenced by proxy bidders.
I also learned (pretty much) to never place a proxy bid. I even go one step further – don’t stomp a BIN with a proxy bid.
I think that’s part of his beliefs, and I wish I had followed his advice when he first brought it up.
Thank you all for the recognition. You may rest assured that my writings have always originated with my cranium and been transmitted with my quill.
I generally use BIN and go with it, because acquisition is my priority. The only times I ever proxy bid are when I first discover a very high-priced BIN auction in its very last hours or if the BIN is so ridiculously-he-will-never-get-that-price high.
I won snipe number 903 this week. I am going to slow down now, due to other priorities coming into play, but I shall continue with AS and on this forum.
I generally use BIN and go with it, because acquisition is my priority. The only times I ever proxy bid are when I first discover a very high-priced BIN auction in its very last hours or if the BIN is so ridiculously-he-will-never-get-that-price high.
I won snipe number 903 this week. I am going to slow down now, due to other priorities coming into play, but I shall continue with AS and on this forum.
Aww, come on guys.. I meant even when he was quoting!!! 
quote:At some point, one must get closer to completing their collection(s), or running out of money.
I am going to slow down now
Is a collection ever completed?
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Originally posted by Mrs.M:
Is a collection _ever_ completed?
Isn't that the truth?
Ok, Chatter, what is that?? It sort of looks like baseball cards.
Glass paperweights are my weakness!