AS/proxy biding

Hi. Good morning. Welcome, etc..
In a way. It submits your max bid in the last few seconds as if it was you doing it. Then the ebay computer does the same as if it was your direct bid.
It uses only as much of that money that is needed to win the bid. OF Course, If someone bids more than you do, they will win. But the top advantages of AS is the fact that: 1. You do not keep runing the price up with a bidding war. 2. You can cancel your bid up to 2 minutes before (ebay won't let you) and 3. You can have bid groups. so you can cover all the avilable gizmos auctions and yet not have to worry you will end up with all of them)

The forums area is great, I agree.


"Shop"

Perfect, Shop! ..morning to you!

Ar5longa, to our forum!

Thaks for the welcome ShoptillIdrop and Mrs.M but what I´d like o know is the following : imagine AS places my bid 10 secs. from the end and another bider or snipe program bids higher after that , is it AS that places another bid on the remaining time to cover it up or is it the ebay server that takes control after that using the remainig money of the bid placed by AS to raise it against other biders?
Thanks

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Originally posted by ar5longa:
imagine AS places my bid 10 secs. from the end and another bider or snipe program bids higher after that

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AS will only place one snipe, and that will be for the amount you tell it to bid. If someone bids higher, before or after, they win. Now, you can win an auction with a lower amount if your snipe is placed 1st and the 2nd snipe doesn't reach your bid's next increment. But that's all determine by ebay.

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Originally posted by ar5longa:
If I understood correctly once AS places your snipe it becomes a proxy biding and starts biding for itself inside ebay servers

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AS will place 2 to 4 (4 was the last that I remember) snipes from 2 to 4 servers. It does that to make sure at least one of them gets in. All the snipes are for your full bid amount. You usually only see one of the snipes on the bid history, because ebay won't let the same user bid the same amount more then once.

Pretty nifty feature.

Thanks Rick
I thought that AS would put the full amount of my max value as a proxy biding on ebay and after that ebay would took over and bid for me until my max was reached or I was overbid
As it is , if a proxy bider has set a max value higher than the only bid AS places for he will allways win even if the max value I set on AS is higher as ebay will automatically cover my bid for him

AS puts in your max bid. It is a case of you will pay only as much as is needed to win. If someone else has put a max bid higher than you they will win. As in any other auction. But, with the AS way, you stand a better chance of getting the gizmo at or below your max than you would by bidding it up, and up, on ebay. Plus, if it goes over your max, you have the satisfaction of knowing you did not overpay for the gizmo. That is why we all tend to say. Bid your max, sit back and enjoy doing something else. The AS computer will do the work for you.
Good Luck


"Shop"

Seemed like a simple question. Rick handled it his usually exceptional way UNTIL he confused the issue with mentioning the multiple AS submissions! It IS a neat valuable feature, though.

Maybe an example auction?:

Lets say there is a gizmo up for a 3 day auction. Minimum opening bid is $1. Paul wants the item really bad! He places a bid for $100. If you view the auction screen after Paul's bid, it will show Paul as currently winning the auction with a $1 bid.

Day 2, Steve views the gizmo auction, and he really wants it. He sees one other bidder (Paul) has bid on it and is winning with a $1 bid. Steve places a $10 bid. If you view the auction screen after Steve's bid, it will show there were 2 bids and PAUL as currently winning the auction with an $11 bid.

Still day 2, Steve sees he is outbid by proxy Paul), and places ANOTHER bid - $25. If you view the auction screen after Steve's 2nd bid, it will show there were 3 bids and PAUL as currently winning the auction with a $26 bid. Steve decides to do some ebay searches for more gizmos for cheaper.

Day 3 (final day), Andy Sniper views the gizmo he's always wanted. He notices the current winning bid is Paul's at $26. Andy decides to snipe the item and decides the maximum he is willing to pay for the item is $75 (which is nearly 3 times the current winning bid!). Andy sets his $75 snipe up to occur 10 secs before the end of the auction.

1 hour before auction end, Steve is back. He didn't find any other comparable gizmos, so he really wants this one. He notes Paul still holds the winning bid at $26. Steve places a bid (his 3rd in this auction) for $55. If you view the auction screen after Steve's 3rd bid, it will show there were 4 bids and PAUL as STILL winning the auction with a $56 bid. Steve smashes his keyboard and goes to bed.

30 minutes before the auction end, Andy Sniper checks the auction. He notes the winning bid is now up to $56 with Paul still the winning bidder. He decides his $75 is the MAX he is willing to pay and does not modify his bid.

11 secs before auction end, AS places Andy's snipe for $75. If you view the auction screen after Andy's sniped bid, it will show there were 5 bids and PAUL as STILL winning the auction with a $76 bid.

5 secs before auction end, Manuel "don't-have-a-life" Sniper notes the top bid has gone up from $56 to $76, still held by Paul. He frantically places his own bid for $86.55. If you view the auction screen 2 seconds after Andy's sniped bid, it will show (theoretically, if ebay can respond quick enough and your internet connection is FAST!) there were 6 bids and PAUL as STILL winning the auction with a $87.55 bid. Manuel sees his last minute rushed bid was not enough -- he lost the auction. He pops another upper and washes it down with some strong coffee.

Next day, Andy Sniper turns on his computer to see how his snipe went. He discovers that he was OUTBID BY PROXY. He notes the $87.55 winning bid and wonders why ANYONE would pay that much for a used gizmo when the local Wal-Mart sells the very same gizmo NEW for only $85!
NOTE: What Andy CAN'T know is that Paul had placed a $100 bid! Andy would've lost even if he had placed a $100 sniped bid (Ties go to the first bid placed, i.e. Paul)!!

Presuming you've waded through this long example explanation, you'll understand better how ebay proxy bidding and AS sniping works.

(Has no life because of LONG forum replies!)

Jabbergah

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you guys trying to kill the guy...age the guy..drive him crazy..what???? LMAO!!!! Is this an answer the question contest?

Hi ShoptillIdrop

Sorry to be such a pain but I think I still couldn´t explain my point.
Let´s assume someone placed a $10 bid on an ebay item with a maximum bid limit of $100 and I placed the same $100 maximum on AS for the same item timed for 8 sec.
Now , 8 sec. from the end AS places a $11 bid for me(it would be the minimum amount needed to win),but, imediatly ebay´s proxy bids $12 for the other guy and I lose even if I´d be willing to go all the way to $100 because AS won´t go up for me .
This is what I´ve been trying to ask : wouldn´t AS be beaten every time by a proxy bider by a $1 or two on a situation like this? even if the AS bider would be willig to pay way more?

Hi Jabbergah
Thanks a lot , that was what I meant sorry for the previous post but you posted yours whyle I was typing mine

WAY TO GO Jabbergah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad you nailed it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mrs.M:
LMAO!!!! Is this an answer the question contest?

So did I win?

Jabbergah

you did

I am soooo exhausted by all of your longggggggggggg answers, I have lost sight of my senses! Oh dear!! but, what can I say, you are all good!

Jabbergah,

As the elite winner of the "AS/proxy biding" topic answering contest, you have now won the prestige and title and can now claim the crown (to be worn only while in your bathrobe, of course).

Unfortunately, our sponsors have failed to donate any money towards the award purse; however, with your current recognition, you may be able to post in future topics until reaching an "expert" status.

We bow humbly in your presence and hope you will remember us when you achieve the "title" of reigning sniper forum champion, whereupon you will be eligible for the AuctionSniper Forum hall of fame!

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Oh dear..an award...I do hope this will do....

At the risk of sending Mrs.M into convulsions:

When I read over my little auction story, I realized that I left a few things out! What about PAUL?!?

Paul ended up winning the auction at $87.55! He thinks he got a BARGAIN since he had bid $100. He's DELIGHTED!! (Maybe he doesn't know that gizmo is available at Wal-Mart for $85. Maybe he doesn't get out much. Maybe he's got more money than sense. Regardless, he cheerfully pays the seller, including the ADDITIONAL $6 s&h, receives the gizmo, is completely satisfied, and leaves glowing feedback for the seller!)

Although Andy Sniper LOST this auction to Paul, he's happy too, because he didn't get caught up in any bidding war or overpay for a gizmo he could easily get cheaper elsewhere.

And the other 2 bidders? Well, they're just losers!

Boy, it sure is hard to NOT feel superior when you are an AuctionSniper!! Whether you win the auction or NOT!

Snipe on!

Jabbergah