I use Andele as a counter but wonder if they are always accurate. Right now a listing has 24 'hits' and has been the same for several days. This is unusual for me but is it a usual response?
Thanks,
PatZ
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It probably depends on what software company you use for your counter, but I think they all are pretty much accurate. Any company that makes an inaccurate counter wouldn't stay in business long. I haven't done any selling for a long time, and of course I don't know what you're selling, but sometimes I'd see the same number of "hits" on an item's counter for days, and then right before the auction closed the snipers and the proxy bidders would jack up the count. Other times that didn't happen...I had simply overestimated the attractiveness of what I was selling. 
No they're not always accurate. Sometimes they stop counting, and sometimes they undercount. I've seen people complaining on the eBay boards about this, quite a bit, seems to go in spurts.
Hey, thanks y'all for the quick replies. It just seemed strange that all of a sudden nothing happened. Even when I went to the site, the numbers did not change.
PatZ
PatZ
Not to give offense, but what's the big deal if a counter stops counting or not? The item's up there, you paid your listing fee, and either it'll sell or it won't. What diff does it make if your counter says "2" or "20"? 
I think a counter is important (IMO). If I were a seller, I wouldn't want mine to be understated. As an AS sniper, I don't want to see one overstated. 
Rick, you wrote "If I were a seller, I wouldn't want mine to be understated. As an AS sniper, I don't want to see one overstated."
As a seller what difference would it make? You either sell the item or you don't. Is it that some sort of judgement could be made about your item description, or the item header, on the basis of a counter? Wouldn't you want to make such a judgement on the basis of many counter observations? And if all your counters stall out, wouldn't you find another source of counters?
Addressing the second sentence, as an AS sniper I don't fear an overstated counter. So what if lots of people are looking at the item? That just helps me determine my snipe amount...maybe. And we both know that if our snipe amount is enough, no proxy bidder on eBay stands a chance.
And that's a fact.
As a seller what difference would it make? You either sell the item or you don't. Is it that some sort of judgement could be made about your item description, or the item header, on the basis of a counter? Wouldn't you want to make such a judgement on the basis of many counter observations? And if all your counters stall out, wouldn't you find another source of counters?
Addressing the second sentence, as an AS sniper I don't fear an overstated counter. So what if lots of people are looking at the item? That just helps me determine my snipe amount...maybe. And we both know that if our snipe amount is enough, no proxy bidder on eBay stands a chance.
And that's a fact.
As a seller I'd want a high counter to make people think there is much interest and possible snipers so you'd better bid high.
As a buyer I'd want the counter to be low because it means there is less interest and my snipe might get me a really good deal.
As a buyer I'd want the counter to be low because it means there is less interest and my snipe might get me a really good deal.
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Originally posted by Sniper Sara B.:
As a seller I'd want a high counter to make people think there is much interest and possible snipers so you'd better bid high.
As a buyer I'd want the counter to be low because it means there is less interest and my snipe might get me a really good deal.
But I think the point Steve is making is that, as a seller, you still end up selling the item to the highest bidder, no matter how many people viewed the item. It does not change anything that the seller does, once he places the item up for auction. BEFORE the auction, he must come up with a starting price, a reserve (if any), shipping costs, payment methods, item description and picture, etc. But this legwork is done BEFORE the auction, and once the auction starts, there is nothing else the seller can do except seller to the highest bidder, or relist. A counter does not alter what he does at that point.
As for the buyer, as snipers we should be deciding our maximum amounts and setting them with AS, period. Just as it does not matter to us if there is a reserve price, how many proxy bidders there are, or if other snipers will bid, etc., it should not matter to us how many people view the auction.
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Originally posted by Chatter163:
... It does not change anything that the seller does, once he places the item up for auction. ...
... Other than the enhanced possibility of a better P & L for the seller, and a reduced net worth for the buyer, it doesn't.
As a seller, I want to know if my ad is getting out there and people are seeing it. Do I have the right price, category,format, photos etc, and compare with other sellers with similar items. The more people see an ad, on Ebay or anywhere else, the more chance there is to reach the right customer for your product.
PatZ
PatZ
I'd like to believe that everyone agrees with the importance of counters to sellers, and buyers (aka snipers) alike. The following are my questions to any sniper(s) that doesn't:
1) Have counters EVER influenced your snipes?
2) If yes, have they influenced you to increase your snipes?
3) If yes, isn't that in the best interest of the seller?
4) If yes, isn't accurate counters important to the seller?
ATBGoesO!
P.S. If you disagree, then all these sellers that have counters must be wasting their time, and counters, including post counts on this forum, are a waste.
1) Have counters EVER influenced your snipes?
2) If yes, have they influenced you to increase your snipes?
3) If yes, isn't that in the best interest of the seller?
4) If yes, isn't accurate counters important to the seller?
ATBGoesO!
P.S. If you disagree, then all these sellers that have counters must be wasting their time, and counters, including post counts on this forum, are a waste.
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Originally posted by Rick:
I'd like to believe that everyone agrees with the importance of counters to sellers, and buyers (aka snipers) alike. The following are my questions to any sniper(s) that doesn't:
1) Have counters EVER influenced your snipes?
2) If yes, have they influenced you to increase your snipes?
3) If yes, isn't that in the best interest of the seller?
4) If yes, isn't accurate counters important to the seller?
ATBGoesO!
P.S. If you disagree, then all these sellers that have counters must be wasting their time, and counters, including post counts on this forum, are a waste.
1) No. I never look at them.
2) See above.
3) See above.
4) See above.
P.S.) This is a nonsequituur. Because I, as a buyer, do not pay any attention whatsoever to counters, does not mean that I maintain that all sellers and posters here are wasting their time. That is not my position, nor do I believe it is the position of Steve or anyone else here who has echoed our nays concerning counters.
Steve maintained that what a seller does after he lists his widget is the same, whether he has a counter or not. I agreed with that sentiment, i.e., once the auction has been listed, there is nothing else a seller can do except wait and see. PWZ has made a good point, viz., that sellers may use data collected from counters, for future planning. This argument I can accept--the data may be used to evaluate how the auction is titled, described, etc. So one could argue that a counter affects the seller's subsequent auctions.
As a buyer, I continue to maintain that I search for my items, locate them, set my snipe amount, and that's it. My amount may vary, according to the frequency that the item appears on eBay and, to a small degree, what its "worth" is generally thought to be. However, it does not matter to me one whit whether one person or one million view the auction. Once I set my absolute max, it is ABSOLUTE!
Hey Chatter,
I agree with you in that counters are important for sellers and not buyers. When I am buying, I never look at counters. I too go to AS with my absolute maximum bid and that is it. However, if I were to look at a counter and saw no, or few hits I'd probably think WOW that I'd discovered something.
If there were a number of hits I would not be affected at all. Number of bids on the item might have some effect in that I would think carefully about my maximum bid. Still I would put it in the hands of AS and go on about my business.
PatZ
I agree with you in that counters are important for sellers and not buyers. When I am buying, I never look at counters. I too go to AS with my absolute maximum bid and that is it. However, if I were to look at a counter and saw no, or few hits I'd probably think WOW that I'd discovered something.
If there were a number of hits I would not be affected at all. Number of bids on the item might have some effect in that I would think carefully about my maximum bid. Still I would put it in the hands of AS and go on about my business.
PatZ
I don't know about others, but I find there counters (and access to check them) don't seem to work very well. I have written there techsupport several times, but get no answer.
I can not log on for days and then I can....then I can't....then I can..... so inconsistant.
It sure doesn't say much regarding there products if their server can't handle large volumes of users ID's...
anyway...just venting...
I can not log on for days and then I can....then I can't....then I can..... so inconsistant.
It sure doesn't say much regarding there products if their server can't handle large volumes of users ID's...
anyway...just venting...
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But I think the point Steve is making is that, as a seller, you still end up selling the item to the highest bidder, no matter how many people viewed the item. It does not change anything that the seller does, once he places the item up for auction. BEFORE the auction, he must come up with a starting price, a reserve (if any), shipping costs, payment methods, item description and picture, etc. But this legwork is done BEFORE the auction, and once the auction starts, there is nothing else the seller can do except seller to the highest bidder, or relist. A counter does not alter what he does at that point.
It will, however, give the seller an idea of what is working and what isn't. Then the next time they put up an auction, they tweak their titles and descriptions, and see if their counter gets more hits... etc. etc. etc. If they have really low numbers on their counters, they know that their naming/describing strategy isn't working to draw people in.
I know that I'm more likely to click on "flared hem velvet bell sleeved dress M" than I am on "velvet dress" for example.
As a buyer, however, counters don't even register on my radar.
Ok on reading further in the thread I see that others have mostly made these points... but I'll post anyway because A) it serves as reinforcement and B) it feeds into my need for attention.
>^,,^<
OpalCat
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As I successful buyer and sniper, I am here to say that I am never influenced by any counters, whether they be large or small. There is only one indicator I go by, and that is the actual bid activity (as shown by the current bid and the number of bids that have been placed). If it's a hot item, then there will be a lot of bidding activity and I will see a bidder's name more than once. Then I will probably snipe with a much-higher bid if it's a must-have item. Otherwise, I scale back my sniping perspective by low-balling my final bid -- and almost always win. It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me if the counter says 3 or 3,000,000.
Several times I have pulled up an auction page just to look at an item or simply because I was curious as to what the heck the item was. Each time I do this, the auction counter gets incremented, even though I have no interest in the item whatsoever. What does that counter tell the seller about my interest in his auction? NOTHING! In fact, it misleads the seller into thinking that there is more interest in his item than there really is. The ONLY number that really matters is the final bid!!!
Think of it this way: How many supermarkets keep a running count of the number of people that walk in and out of their store? Many people walk in, buy lots of things, and leave. Others just walk in and don't buy anything and leave. Do you think that that store manager reviews the daily traffic count? By no means! Rather, he's looking at the cash receipts from the sales.
Answer this question: What good does a counter of, say 200, do for you if you only get 2 bids? All it tells me is that there were 198 irrelevent browses of my auction. So stop putting so much faith in counters. They don't profit you at all.
Several times I have pulled up an auction page just to look at an item or simply because I was curious as to what the heck the item was. Each time I do this, the auction counter gets incremented, even though I have no interest in the item whatsoever. What does that counter tell the seller about my interest in his auction? NOTHING! In fact, it misleads the seller into thinking that there is more interest in his item than there really is. The ONLY number that really matters is the final bid!!!
Think of it this way: How many supermarkets keep a running count of the number of people that walk in and out of their store? Many people walk in, buy lots of things, and leave. Others just walk in and don't buy anything and leave. Do you think that that store manager reviews the daily traffic count? By no means! Rather, he's looking at the cash receipts from the sales.
Answer this question: What good does a counter of, say 200, do for you if you only get 2 bids? All it tells me is that there were 198 irrelevent browses of my auction. So stop putting so much faith in counters. They don't profit you at all.
Unlike sonofagunk, I'm going to quit while I'm behind.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by berean01:
As I successful buyer and sniper, I am here to say that I am never influenced by any counters, whether they be large or small....Otherwise, I scale back my sniping perspective by low-balling my final bid -- and almost always win. It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me if the counter says 3 or 3,000,000.
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Bravo on the first part, as the number of viewers makes no difference to me as a sniper!
HOWEVER, I am not clear on the second part. What do you mean by your "final bid" and by "lowballing"? As a sniper you only bid ONCE and you always bid the MOST you are willing to pay. Otherwise, either you are acting like a proxy bidder (direct antithesis of sniping) and/or your one bid is not worth much, since it is not your max.
As I successful buyer and sniper, I am here to say that I am never influenced by any counters, whether they be large or small....Otherwise, I scale back my sniping perspective by low-balling my final bid -- and almost always win. It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me if the counter says 3 or 3,000,000.
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Bravo on the first part, as the number of viewers makes no difference to me as a sniper!
HOWEVER, I am not clear on the second part. What do you mean by your "final bid" and by "lowballing"? As a sniper you only bid ONCE and you always bid the MOST you are willing to pay. Otherwise, either you are acting like a proxy bidder (direct antithesis of sniping) and/or your one bid is not worth much, since it is not your max.
Yesterday I decided to go against all my precepts and be guided by counter totals, just to see what would happen. There were two items closing a half-hour apart offered by different sellers. Both items had counters. On one I would adjust my snipe amount, if "necessary," based on the "hit" count. On the other I would do business as usual and sturdily ignore the counter results, although I would watch them nonetheless.
When I set up my snipe on the first one a week ago the counter had 39 "hits." By yesterday there was only one bid on the item but the counter read "79." So I upped my snipe bid a couple of increments and waited. An hour before closing the counter showed 98 "hits." I thought it prudent to increase my snipe bid by another increment. Ten minutes before closing the count was 112, but there was still only the one bid. I thought, "somebody besides me, perhaps several somebodies, is lurking in the weeds setting up a snipe." So I increased my snipe amount to the full retail value of the item, which I had determined by visiting the manufacturer'd web site. The outcome: there were two other snipes besides mine, both placed before mine (which went in at 9 seconds). My first bid, the one I originally set, would have been plenty enough to overcome either of them. I needn't have bothered to increase my snipe amount.
On the other item, the counter registered a dramatically lower count (5, I think). I set up my snipe with my max bid and held firm while I watched the "hit" count rise to 13. There were no bids on the item. At the end, I was the only bidder and got the item for the initial asking price.
Conclusion: counters are no predictor of the number of bidders or the bid amount, although I concede that they are probably of use to sellers.
When I set up my snipe on the first one a week ago the counter had 39 "hits." By yesterday there was only one bid on the item but the counter read "79." So I upped my snipe bid a couple of increments and waited. An hour before closing the counter showed 98 "hits." I thought it prudent to increase my snipe bid by another increment. Ten minutes before closing the count was 112, but there was still only the one bid. I thought, "somebody besides me, perhaps several somebodies, is lurking in the weeds setting up a snipe." So I increased my snipe amount to the full retail value of the item, which I had determined by visiting the manufacturer'd web site. The outcome: there were two other snipes besides mine, both placed before mine (which went in at 9 seconds). My first bid, the one I originally set, would have been plenty enough to overcome either of them. I needn't have bothered to increase my snipe amount.
On the other item, the counter registered a dramatically lower count (5, I think). I set up my snipe with my max bid and held firm while I watched the "hit" count rise to 13. There were no bids on the item. At the end, I was the only bidder and got the item for the initial asking price.
Conclusion: counters are no predictor of the number of bidders or the bid amount, although I concede that they are probably of use to sellers.
I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion, nor with the value of counters. On this topic, I AM BORN AGAIN. I have a better perspective on counters. This in no way conflicts with my "quit while I'm behind" statement.
But, I would like to make sure I understand: the item with 112 hits had 4 bids (1 proxy and 3 snipes) and the item with 13 hits had 1 bid (yours)?
But, I would like to make sure I understand: the item with 112 hits had 4 bids (1 proxy and 3 snipes) and the item with 13 hits had 1 bid (yours)?
Wow! What an empirical study!
The best kind. What good are apriori conclusions for snipers? We want facts, and just the facts!
Chatter, maybe you could check the math on my previous post in this topic?
Chatter, maybe you could check the math on my previous post in this topic?
To berean01
First off, stop panicking. There is no need to freak out!!!!! by putting!!! nine zillion!!!!!!!!!!!! exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! after everything.
Secondly, obviously every single hit on a counter isn't someone who is going to bid, or there would be a one-to-one ratio of counter hits to bids.
If I had two auctions, one of which had 37 hits and one of which had 491 hits, I think I could attribute that to something other than random chance.
Lastly, thank you for being the final authority on all of this. "So stop putting so much faith in counters. They don't profit you at all." -- thank you for assuming that since some of us feel they have value and offer another bit of data to work with, that we're putting "sooooo much faith" in them. And thank you for deciding that the data they provide (which is only data, like any other data, and must be interpreted) is completely useless. In short, thank you for saving us from the scourge of counters. I'll be naming my second born "berean01" in your honor. (My first born was named 7 years ago and I don't want to do the paperwork to change his name.)
>^,,^< OpalCat
http://www.opalcat.com ~ http://shop.opalcat.com
First off, stop panicking. There is no need to freak out!!!!! by putting!!! nine zillion!!!!!!!!!!!! exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! after everything.
Secondly, obviously every single hit on a counter isn't someone who is going to bid, or there would be a one-to-one ratio of counter hits to bids.
If I had two auctions, one of which had 37 hits and one of which had 491 hits, I think I could attribute that to something other than random chance.
Lastly, thank you for being the final authority on all of this. "So stop putting so much faith in counters. They don't profit you at all." -- thank you for assuming that since some of us feel they have value and offer another bit of data to work with, that we're putting "sooooo much faith" in them. And thank you for deciding that the data they provide (which is only data, like any other data, and must be interpreted) is completely useless. In short, thank you for saving us from the scourge of counters. I'll be naming my second born "berean01" in your honor. (My first born was named 7 years ago and I don't want to do the paperwork to change his name.)
>^,,^< OpalCat
http://www.opalcat.com ~ http://shop.opalcat.com
Yes, the item with 112 hits (with 10 minutes to go; I wouldn't be surprised if there were more hits but I didn't watch for them) received a total of 4 bids: 1 proxy bid made 24+ hours before the end of the auction, and three snipes including mine made in the last five minutes of the auction. The auction ended at 19:00:00 exactly and the snipe bids were recorded at 18:55:05, 18:57:16, and 18:59:42 (I allowed extra time because of the exact-hour ending, of course). All three snipe bids and the proxy bid were by different bidders. I was the only bidder in the other auction which had 13 hits when I stopped watching the counter with 10 minutes to go, and a final total of 23 hits (I just went back and looked).
I admire a man who quits while he's behind.
I admire a man who quits while he's behind.
OpalCat
WOW! That was inspirational. Mind if I ask where that came from or should I mind my own business?
WOW! That was inspirational. Mind if I ask where that came from or should I mind my own business?
Steve;
Thanks. I wanted to make sure I had a clear understanding of the outcome of these two auctions.
Thanks. I wanted to make sure I had a clear understanding of the outcome of these two auctions.
Aw, take it a little easy on berean01. He often writes like that; the hyperbole is unintended.
You're welcome, Rick. Two auctions do not a doctoral thesis make, but I thought it was kinda interesting.
You're welcome, Rick. Two auctions do not a doctoral thesis make, but I thought it was kinda interesting.
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Originally posted by Rick:
OpalCat
WOW! That was inspirational. Mind if I ask where that came from or should I mind my own business?
You can expect these gems at roughly 30 day intervals.
>^,,^< OpalCat
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Originally posted by OpalCat:
You can expect these gems at roughly 30 day intervals.
Don't mean to be disrespectful: I enjoyed your response.
Steve;
Thanks for the revised counts on the auction with the one bid. Do you know the revised counts on the auction with the 4 bids?
Thanks for the revised counts on the auction with the one bid. Do you know the revised counts on the auction with the 4 bids?
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Originally posted by Rick:
Don't mean to be disrespectful: I enjoyed your response.
Thanks
I am not usually quite so acerbic... except at those aforementioned 30 day intervals, as can often be expected from my half of the population.
>^,,^< OpalCat
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Understand. But in 30 days go after me instead of berean01. I deserve it.
"acerbic" - great word.
"acerbic" - great word.
Thanks for your reply and question. Of course, you are correct about the sniping vs. proxy bidding. Please allow me to clarrify what I meant.
What I meant when I said 'lowball', was that my once and final maximum bid will not be as high as it might be if I felt that the competition would be stiff and only if I really, really wanted the item. In otherwords, if it's not a 'must have' item, then I'm willing to risk losing the auction by setting a lower maximum bid over which I won't be disapointed if somebody else outbids me in the end. I love seeing how close I can beat the other guy -- hopefully by just one penny. I am pretty good at guessing about where others will top out their bids a lot of the time -- but not always, of course. lol Hope that helps.
What I meant when I said 'lowball', was that my once and final maximum bid will not be as high as it might be if I felt that the competition would be stiff and only if I really, really wanted the item. In otherwords, if it's not a 'must have' item, then I'm willing to risk losing the auction by setting a lower maximum bid over which I won't be disapointed if somebody else outbids me in the end. I love seeing how close I can beat the other guy -- hopefully by just one penny.
I am pretty good at guessing about where others will top out their bids a lot of the time -- but not always, of course. lol Hope that helps.
Sheeze! Can we get a little more anal here???????????????????? <--for OpalCat's benefit
Do you always have this propensity for extreme exagerations?????????? <--again added for OpalCat's benefit
Good grief! I only used 4 exclaimation points in my entire posting and you feel you have to run me up the damned flag pole. Get a life!
I never came in here with the idea that I am any kind of final authority on anything. I merely told you the truth about counters. You can either take it or leave it -- I really don't care!!!!!!
And as far as that so-called data is concerned, you don't have any idea what that 'count' means, much less how to interpret it. After all, what's really being counted? And that was my whole point all along. In fact, as has been said by others, you don't even know if it's an accurate count. Thus, the number is, for all intents and purposes, irrelevent.
And BTW, your second-born will be just fine.
Do you always have this propensity for extreme exagerations?????????? <--again added for OpalCat's benefit
Good grief! I only used 4 exclaimation points in my entire posting and you feel you have to run me up the damned flag pole.
Get a life!I never came in here with the idea that I am any kind of final authority on anything. I merely told you the truth about counters. You can either take it or leave it -- I really don't care!!!!!!
And as far as that so-called data is concerned, you don't have any idea what that 'count' means, much less how to interpret it. After all, what's really being counted? And that was my whole point all along. In fact, as has been said by others, you don't even know if it's an accurate count. Thus, the number is, for all intents and purposes, irrelevent.
And BTW, your second-born will be just fine.
You told "your opinion" not "the truth" about counters. The issue isn't black-and-white enough to have "a truth" actually.
In very small samplings, NO data is useful. That is, the difference between an 8 and a 30 in counter numbers is meaningless no matter what.
The difference between 70 and 600, however, is much more likely to represent a trend. I'm not sure why you are so against having an extra bit of data from which to work? No one is suggesting adopting some sort of counter-data-only strategy here.
>^,,^< OpalCat
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In very small samplings, NO data is useful. That is, the difference between an 8 and a 30 in counter numbers is meaningless no matter what.
The difference between 70 and 600, however, is much more likely to represent a trend. I'm not sure why you are so against having an extra bit of data from which to work? No one is suggesting adopting some sort of counter-data-only strategy here.
>^,,^< OpalCat
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"The issue isn't black-and-white enough to have "a truth" actually."
That's just plane silly. This issue most definitely does have several truths. It's not an issue of opinion. You just don't want to accept it. Whatever! I could care less -- your loss. It's not that big of a deal. So if you feel you need to have the last word, go ahead. Your opinion is rapidly become as irrelevent as an Andele Counter anyways.
Go back and reread the original issue. PWZ77840 orignally asked, 'I use Andele as a counter but wonder if they are always accurate.' The black-and-white answer has already been clearly answered. It's, 'No'.
That's just plane silly. This issue most definitely does have several truths. It's not an issue of opinion. You just don't want to accept it. Whatever! I could care less -- your loss.
It's not that big of a deal. So if you feel you need to have the last word, go ahead. Your opinion is rapidly become as irrelevent as an Andele Counter anyways. Go back and reread the original issue. PWZ77840 orignally asked, 'I use Andele as a counter but wonder if they are always accurate.' The black-and-white answer has already been clearly answered. It's, 'No'.
Anyone up for a discussion about politics or religion?
Ermmmm....ok buddy, whatever you say.
(btw, you may notice as you venture through this great big internet that quite often a message board thread will expand beyond the specifics of the original post. Just a tip, since you seem to have not picked up on that yet. No need to thank me.)
Oh--one last thing. The phrase is "couldn't care less."
(btw, you may notice as you venture through this great big internet that quite often a message board thread will expand beyond the specifics of the original post. Just a tip, since you seem to have not picked up on that yet. No need to thank me.)
Oh--one last thing. The phrase is "couldn't care less."
(Timidly) Is it alright if I intrude myself upon this polemic, diatribe, and screed long enough to answer Rick's question addressed to me?
"Thanks for the revised counts on the auction with the one bid. Do you know the revised counts on the auction with the 4 bids?"
No, sorry. When I went back to the auction page the counter had already been erased.
"Thanks for the revised counts on the auction with the one bid. Do you know the revised counts on the auction with the 4 bids?"
No, sorry. When I went back to the auction page the counter had already been erased.