Agreed. This is as I was saying, many bidders despise us, regardless of how we go about sniping. It seems we are ruining their fun, as if ebay is a game not a business place. The truth is, they don't understand the system, and if they used proxy bidding properly, sniping would be ineffective. Anyone who places more than one bid didn't really proxy the first time. Look at proxy in any other environment- proxy voting, proxy fights, etc- the idea is that you deal your winning blow, your highest collective, as an absentee assuming you yourself cannot be there to participate in the outcome. Then they sit at the computer and bid on their own behalf and hope they get it for less, making emotional decisions on the fly. It's really immature, actually. ebay's proxy bidding is really not much different than AS, except in as much as AS doesn't take immediate action on our behalf when confronted. If everyone truly bid their proxy- the most they are willing to pay- it wouldn't matter when they bid, and sniping would be pointless. I'm frustrated with their stupidity, but as someone also said- lets keep it that way, so we don't lose our edge